# Kanicbird. Yeah, It's probably pointless, but.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 30, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711 "2009-01-30T14:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/321 "2009-02-08T19:18:48Z")
> [@Juliana](#): > > There are Christians who believe that the KJV is the only true, accepted Word. There are some that believe anything called a version is incorrect, which knocks out the NIV. > > Right now, I’m really confused here. And that’s difficult to do when it comes to my personal faith issues. God speaks to me, too, but it’s not a voice in my head. It’s a feeling. It may be the joy in my surroundings: like being outside in the sunshine. Various things like that. But meditation does the same thing for some: yoga for others: various things/activities make people feel closer to their higher power. God weights the heart, what was the initial intent of the translation, was it to accurately preserve what God has written? If so then I believe God can speak to our heart through that version. The above mentioned CEV is intentionally corrupted and they state it upfront in ‘well meaning’ language and should be avoided unless God is using it to make a comparison. The verse that God gave to me Gen 3:22 God used to show why there are gender based differences in scriptures, and He used that version (CEV), and had me compare it to the NASB and NIV. Also at one time he had me compare scriptures of Gen 2,3 to the creation story in the Koran to point out other aspects. Occult practices such as yoga can connect you with ‘higher powers’ as man is made a bit lower then angels, which would include fallen angels, so they would be higher powers then man. When we try to train the mind to ‘ignore’ the physical we are left with better contact with the spiritual. BTW I have never heard the Lord speak audibly, unless you are counting dreams, which are scriptural. I have had words and phrases sort of added into thought, but not audible, there was no sound. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/322 "2009-02-08T19:24:22Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > But WHICH versions, **Kanicbird** are okay, and which are not? The Vulgate? King James? The NIV? The NAS? The NAB? As I stated above, if the intent of the translation is to preserve God’s message then it’s OK, As scriptures speak to the head while the Word speaks to the heart. God can use any version if the, attempt is honest, to speak to our hearts. God knows we are imperfect, He expects us to make mistakes, and He covers them. But when we no longer trust Him and think we in ourselves can do better by modifying them, He steps back and usually no longer covers us. > [@](#): > > Seriously, and I am NOT making fun of you-HOW did the Lord let you know that CEV was corrupted? Honestly? As stated above I was questioning the gender based issues, which lead me to Gen 3:22, and the Lord used the CEV and pointed out that that version was not what He said, but by comparison of that to other ones I would see why. > [@](#): > > Dude, you’re awfully arrogant. Remember, Pride goes before a fall/destruction. We are instructed to speak boldly in the name of the Lord. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/323 "2009-02-08T20:12:14Z")
_gives up in disgust_ ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/324 "2009-02-08T20:17:37Z")
**Kanicbird** are you Pentecostal? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/325 "2009-02-08T20:21:17Z")
I’m trying to understand, and I just can’t. I’ll have to come back to this later, when I can form my thoughts correctly. Maybe I should leave this thread alone too, because I don’t want to argue about anything. And I’m getting close to that point. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/326 "2009-02-08T20:56:22Z")
> [@rolandgunslinger](#): > > **Kanicbird** are you Pentecostal? The church I currently attend regularly now is Pentecostal, though as I stated above I consider myself a follower of Lord Jesus Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/327 "2009-02-08T21:20:56Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The Word is God and available to everyone who seeks Him, the Word speaks to our hearts through the scriptures. As for version, it is almost irrelevant, though there are some ones that are intentionally corrupted. This is what I did! I read scripture and other books and opened my heart and was lead to buddhism. Excellent. I’m on the salvation train. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/328 "2009-02-09T05:00:44Z")
> [@rolandgunslinger](#): > > For > the record, I Believe in God and his son Jesus who died for our sins. I don’t believe in hell. For anybody to die for other people’s sins . . . that IS hell. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/329 "2009-02-09T05:08:51Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > _gives up in disgust_ Didn’t I warn you guys about trying to reason with him? ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/330 "2009-02-09T05:15:37Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > … ‘In the name of Jesus I command the spirit of the antichrist to come out of this thread and never to return’. … I’m baaaack! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/331 "2009-02-09T11:57:20Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > If a God of Love would not create a monster then He would not have created you or me, Your premise is incorrect, a God of Love would create a monster if He can bring that Monster into His Love and transform that monster. That is Love. Please leave me out of your silly monster stuff. Or I could use that to see how illogical your reasoning is,you sound to me like some one arguing that 2+1= 5 because you were once told by a younger child that it was. It seems that in your way of thinking you and only a handful of your peers are going to Heaven because every one else doesn’t share your beliefs, that is not how Jesus spoke, and you talk in circles. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/332 "2009-02-09T12:04:04Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God weights the heart, what was the initial intent of the translation, was it to accurately preserve what God has written? If so then I believe God can speak to our heart through that version. The above mentioned CEV is intentionally corrupted and they state it upfront in ‘well meaning’ language and should be avoided unless God is using it to make a comparison. The verse that God gave to me Gen 3:22 God used to show why there are gender based differences in scriptures, and He used that version (CEV), and had me compare it to the NASB and NIV. Also at one time he had me compare scriptures of Gen 2,3 to the creation story in the Koran to point out other aspects. > > Occult practices such as yoga can connect you with ‘higher powers’ as man is made a bit lower then angels, which would include fallen angels, so they would be higher powers then man. When we try to train the mind to ‘ignore’ the physical we are left with better contact with the spiritual. > > BTW I have never heard the Lord speak audibly, unless you are counting dreams, which are scriptural. I have had words and phrases sort of added into thought, but not audible, there was no sound. I am wondering if before your conversion if you were an addict to something? Your logic seems to fit some of the people I know who are ex-addicts and try to make sense but don’t. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/333 "2009-02-09T12:14:36Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > This is what I did! > > I read scripture and other books and opened my heart and was lead to buddhism. > > Excellent. I’m on the salvation train. Im with you, I read the Bible through over 20 times I think it was about 24, I and (a friend prayed too) be led to the truth, I then saw the Bible was not written by God, but by humans when I studied it more and saw the contradictions. Then the study of history, archeology, the Dead Sea Scrolls etc. I studied the history of the Bible and could see the errors. I have no beef with people who disagree with me as I believe faith is a personal thing, and I see people like Polycarp,Tomdebb and others who see a kind loving God,who created a flawed creature and knows they will make mistakes, that sounds to me more like the Jesus in the Bible than the Monster creating terrible Father that kanicbird worships who gives Satan power to destroy His children. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/334 "2009-02-09T13:16:51Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I am wondering if before your conversion if you were an addict to something? > > Your logic seems to fit some of the people I know who are ex-addicts and try to make sense but don’t. I am going to answer this, not because it is directed at me, but to reflect back at you. The answer is no and for that matter never with and illegal drugs either. And the following is IMHO: Those people who have done such things have usually experienced spiritual things by numbing out the physical body, leaving only their spiritual self, which is in a far different place then our physical world, but no less real, actually more real. This can be done by meditation and also the case when we are in the womb, where our physical selves are in a environment where they are sensory deprived, so they sense the spiritual world and just have a hint of the physical (once born the physical overpowers the spiritual). And the Holy Spirit can inform us of the spiritual. Those people have seen the links between the spiritual and physical, and have certain knowledge that can not be obtained just in the physical world, for instant some places on earth are places that are good, others places of evil, unless you have the ability to sense the spiritual it doesn’t make any sense as a place is a place physically. Addicts via shutting their eyes to the physical have experienced the physical, not a good way to go about it but it does work. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/335 "2009-02-09T13:23:14Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Im with you, I read the Bible through over 20 times I think it was about 24, I and (a friend prayed too) be led to the truth, I then saw the Bible was not written by God, but by humans when I studied it more and saw the contradictions. Since it takes a person about a year to read the Bible and if one really pushes it I’ve heard 3 months, how could you have read it over 20 times? Have you really read every book of the Bible through at least once? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/336 "2009-02-09T13:25:52Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > This is what I did! > > I read scripture and other books and opened my heart and was lead to buddhism. > > Excellent. I’m on the salvation train. I feel that all religions will eventually lead to God through Jesus Christ for God’s children, so welcome to the path. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/337 "2009-02-09T13:28:01Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I feel that all religions will eventually lead to God through Jesus Christ for God’s children, so welcome to the path. Have you heard of Judaism? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/338 "2009-02-09T14:43:02Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Since it takes a person about a year to read the Bible and if one really pushes it I’ve heard 3 months, how could you have read it over 20 times? The bible, both the old and new testaments together is about 1000 pages, which means that if you read 20 pages a day, you can get it done in less than 2 months. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/339 "2009-02-09T15:02:49Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The church I currently attend regularly now is Pentecostal, though as I stated above I consider myself a follower of Lord Jesus Christ. Who do Pentecostals follow? Lord Oral Roberts? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/340 "2009-02-09T15:18:37Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Who do Pentecostals follow? Lord Oral Roberts? Ask them [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=18)