# Kanicbird. Yeah, It's probably pointless, but.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 30, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711 "2009-01-30T14:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/401 "2009-02-12T11:54:50Z")
I’m going to agree with Cervaise here. I don’t see it as a most-likely outcome by any means. Indeed, this is the internet, and our diagnosis is most probably faulty, and we are not, by any means, doctors. That said, kanicbird’s posts have a tone we’ve seen before, and they match the flavor of schizophrenia. If it is, in fact, true that is his affliction, and he is not hearing the Lord, then I could see him being told that he has to kill someone some day, and using a shovel to do so. Sniper? No. Shovel, yes. More likely he’ll try to mortify himself, though, as penance. I remain _concerned_ and wish that he would go and see a good doctor on these matters, for his future quality of life. We may be wrong, and I hope we are, but as a worst case scenario? Yes, Cervaise offers something not out of the realm of possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/402 "2009-02-12T14:32:55Z")
He could always just have the schizophrenia demon exorcised. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/403 "2009-02-12T15:47:00Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > but as a worst case scenario? That’s what I was going for, yes. Not probable, by any means. Just conceivably possible. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/404 "2009-02-12T16:23:20Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > That said, kanicbird’s posts have a tone we’ve seen before, and they match the flavor of schizophrenia. If it is, in fact, true that is his affliction, and he is not hearing the Lord, then I could see him being told that he has to kill someone some day, and using a shovel to do so. Sniper? No. Shovel, yes. Again I must call bullshit. What tone is there in **kanicbird** ’s posts that makes you think he is schizophrenic? He doesn’t spout anything my older brother doesn’t spout. Apart from **kb** ’s saying the church he attends doesn’t match all his beliefs, he doesn’t spout anything my dad wouldn’t basically agree with. I think all three are, to be polite, dead wrong on spiritual issues, but that doesn’t make them any more schizophrenic than John Travolta or the Pope. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/405 "2009-02-12T16:33:03Z")
I’d guess it’s all the “God told me this and that,” shit. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/406 "2009-02-12T16:52:39Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > He doesn’t spout anything my older brother doesn’t spout. Apart from **kb** ’s saying the church he attends doesn’t match all his beliefs, he doesn’t spout anything my dad wouldn’t basically agree with. I think all three are, to be polite, dead wrong on spiritual issues, but that doesn’t make them any more schizophrenic than John Travolta or the Pope. Does your father claim to regularly witness supernatural events? Events which are not just emotional, but literally seeing demons and stuff like that? Because kanicbird does. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/407 "2009-02-12T17:47:00Z")
It’s the messages, mostly. It’s hard to say, but it’s not the words, but the way things are described. It’s not just this thread, either. kanicbird is completely sure that someone is passing him messages, and that it is the Lord. We’ve had people with similar issues with different focuses on here in the past… seethruart being one, if I’m remembering the tenor of his posts correctly. Again, I’m no doctor, but I am concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/408 "2009-02-12T18:14:49Z")
Now if \*\*kanicbird \*\*starts floating theories about long-range anomolies in the book of Leviticus … I think we call for the nice men in the white suits and the butterfly net. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/409 "2009-02-12T19:42:10Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > snip > > Occult practices such as yoga can connect you with ‘higher powers’ as man is made a bit lower then angels, which would include fallen angels, so they would be higher powers then man. When we try to train the mind to ‘ignore’ the physical we are left with better contact with the spiritual. > > snip. Yoga is part of the occult? When I did it, it was just a lot of stretching and breathing. What about Pilates? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/410 "2009-02-12T19:50:37Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Yoga is part of the occult? When I did it, it was just a lot of stretching and breathing. > What about Pilates? A blasphemous sect dedicate to the worship of Pontius Pilate! Do you even have to ask? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/411 "2009-02-12T19:52:58Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > A blasphemous sect dedicate to the worship of Pontius Pilate! Do you even have to ask? :smack: Well, Namaste to you, too! ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/412 "2009-02-12T20:24:17Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Yoga is part of the occult? When I did it, it was just a lot of stretching and breathing. That was what threw me! I don’t do yoga: I’m in enough pain watching the bendy people on TV. When they say, “If a move is too difficult, meet us back at center” I think, “Okay, so I’ll spend half an hour in center. What else?” ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/413 "2009-02-13T02:10:01Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > kanicbird’s posts have a tone we’ve seen before, and they match the flavor of schizophrenia. I’m not seeing such a thing. But I haven’t read every one of his posts here. Which posts of his are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/414 "2009-02-13T02:49:32Z")
Sadly, I _really_ don’t want to go through every one of his posts. I know I should be obligated to do so, because I’ve said it. Most of what kanicbird posts is perfectly… no, not rational. Perfectly _acceptable_ religious thought, perhaps? Certainly, it’s unique to him, but hey, he has some starting points, like scripture being absolutely true, and our understanding of the world is false where it conflicts with scripture, that then follow along reasonably. I don’t agree with it, but I can see where he’s coming from. However, this _specific_ post below made me more concerned. I’ve seen previous posts of his that seemed to touch on similar concepts, but I wasn’t going to say anything until… > [@kanicbird](#): > > Once while I was going through a life trial I thought God was telling me to stay home for 3 days, close all the blinds, live in darkness, don’t contact anyone. A take on being in the grave for 3 days. After a short time after closing all the blinds I got the message that it’s going to be a lot longer and I would have to live off my stored provisions. At that point I realized it contradicted the Word of God as God will provide for His people after which I repented of it. > > As for my certainty, it goes to only what is in the Word, if a person, including myself, says something that contradicts the Word I know for certain it is wrong. As for what is right, I put forth my understanding of scriptures from how the Holy Spirit has instructed me. That one made me re-assess what I thought of him, and I came to the conclusion that perhaps he _should_ get a good checkup. It’s not just that post, though, there were others, previously, in other threads, that made me go a little ‘huh?’ I admit, I don’t remember them specifically at this moment. It’s not _just_ that post, though. I asked him if he was okay, and he replied, > [@kanicbird](#): > > This happened at a time of my life when I knew I was going through a ‘time of distress like no other and never again to be repeated’. This was just one aspect of the trial, I was living a chapter of Job, which I was told I would. Looking back the way I got this message was the wrong way, it is the Lord who speaks to us when He wants, I sort of forced a answer and that’s not how it works as He is Lord and I have no right to demand a answer, which I did. > > Though I did get a message not of him and did make a error, it is OK, as it may lead to distress, but he will always cover our mistakes if we are trying our best to follow Him with our hearts. > > In general, if not all the time, the messages and experiences that God puts me through matches scripture and He points out that scripture. I was in such distress that staying home for 3 days seemed like a easy way out. > > Messages come through visions, dreams, prophetic messages, through the Word and prayer, which is 2 way conversation with God. I have never counted how often, but daily is a idea. This is the relationship that God wants with His children and available to anyone who seeks Him IMHO. That’s not too bad. But then I thought about it again. He’s getting messages from things. That aren’t the Lord. That he can’t tell are or are not the Lord. I want to make it clear that I don’t think the below is any too outre. > [@kanicbird](#): > > By the Word is sharper then any double edged sword, it divides. You can quickly tell what side someone is on by using the Word. It is not alienation (but God does use that on occasion), but division of light and darkness. > Yes medical science has clouded the truth. Demons are real and cause illnesses (among other things), if you don’t believe that you stand in contradiction to the Words of Jesus. Jesus, being God and all, was not making this stuff up, He knew what He was talking about. I have never witnessed a epileptic demon be cast out, but I have witnessed a demon cast out that prevented someone speaking, who was able to speak after. Medical science goes after a physical cause, but often there are underlying spiritual reasons. Except the ‘You can quickly tell what side someone is on by using the Word.’ bit. I’ve seen that in people with problems as well. > [@kanicbird](#): > > Thanks for your concern E-Sabbath, but the messages are accurate to future events and again match scripture. I am told something and it happens in a way that I have no way of causing. This bit really, really concerned me as well. The more _sure_ someone is that the messages are completely true, the more concerned I grow. Maybe it’s just that I work in drug treatment. There are a lot of people in our program, and some have real problems. Some turned to illegal drugs to mask out… or enhance… the issues they have. Some, it’s just concidental. But this isn’t just a ‘TV experience’ thing, it’s from some small amount of actual daily experience with people with issues like this. I’m willing to accept I’m wrong. I wasn’t going to say specifically what I thought the issue might be, because at this point, I know I don’t have anywhere near the right information. But I really think kanicbird should seek aid. Especially if he’s getting messages he thinks are from the Lord that, on second or third thought, he realizes are not. Note that all examples are from this thread. They’re not perfect, but they are _recent_. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/415 "2009-02-13T03:22:26Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Yoga is part of the occult? When I did it, it was just a lot of stretching and breathing. > What about Pilates? When I was in undergrad I took a class called Born Again Religion (it was an anthropology class) wherein we read a novel called _Piercing the Darkness_ by Frank Peretti. The plot was about a bunch of touch feely New Agers trying to make a yoga class mandatory at the local elementary school because it would make the children calmer or something. LITTLE DID THEY KNOW that lots of demons would use this opportunity to TAKE OVER THE CHILDREN’S MINDS. See, all that Eastern “yoga”? Actually a way to lower your defenses and allow in the demons. Fortunately for the children, the touchy feely New Agers and their defenders from the ACLU were eventually revealed to be Satan-worshippers and the good Christians saved the day from yoga! Yaaaay! Sorry if I spoiled it for you. Also, I fucking hate yoga. ---
**Author:** ![Vox\_Imperatoris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Vox\_Imperatoris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vox_Imperatoris)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/416 "2009-02-13T03:44:23Z")
But, **E-Sabbath** , a lot of hardcore Fundies use “God told me to” as a synonym for “I decided to”. I’m not sure if it actually _means_ anything. Also, I don’t agree with him, but it seems perfectly obvious how he could decide that an exercise regime originating as a part of Hindu “worship” (quotes because it’s not worship in the same way Christian worship is) is pagan and evil. Valete, Vox Imperatoris ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/417 "2009-02-13T03:59:42Z")
Yes, but there appears to be a qualitative difference between that use and what kanicbird is saying. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/418 "2009-02-13T06:59:19Z")
**E-sabbath** , it’s far from mainstream and I personally don’t consider it healthy thinking, and it is suggestive of several Axis II disorders ( **if** the behavior interferes with functioning), but it’s far short of being diagnostic of an Axis I syndrome. Caveats: IANAPsychiatrist, though I have a good grounding in a few basic principles of the discipline. Ruling in/out various diagnoses is impossible over the internet. Thanks for providing the examples. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/419 "2009-02-13T11:19:30Z")
It is certainly far short, I would agree and have said as much. However, this is just from _this thread_, and in a very short period of time. I still think he should go see a doctor. I’m sure he won’t, because people with these kind of issues never do, because they’re sure they’re perfectly all right. kanicbird, if you’re reading this, I’m hoping that my feeling is wrong. I really am. You do have a different perspective on the world than I do, and I’m not saying you’re wrong, just different. I can understand where your head is at, even if I can’t put my head there. But, you know, take care of yourself, okay? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711/420 "2009-02-13T12:29:21Z")
kanicbird seems sincere in his beliefs and he seems to find peace in them. It( to me) is like a child that takes a frying pan to bed with him because his brother said if a monster comes in in the night he can hit it over the head. I doubt that he has convinced many people with his thinking and he seems to make up answers as he goes along. That is not necessarily mental illness but wishful thinking. Monavis [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-yeah-its-probably-pointless-but/483711.md?page=22)