# Kanicbird, you are an idiot. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555 "2009-02-19T15:53:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/201 "2009-02-23T12:19:47Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > If that’s what they want to do. They are chosen because what they want is to spend eternity with Jesus. It would be cruel to force people to do what they don’t want to do. How do you know they are chosen because they want to spend eternity with Jesus? Isn’t that the words of some human? People are forced according to some beliefs because it is, if you don’t choose something that some human said what was Jesus’s word, you will rot in Hell for all eternity. And wasn’t it some human who was supposed to have quoted Jesus as saying," Many are called but few are chosen"? If Jesus came to save all humans then He really didn’t,and He even was quoted as saying that He spoke in parables lest some hear and be saved. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/202 "2009-02-23T12:44:25Z")
Back to kanicbird: I do not think he is an idiot,but after reading many of his posts and answers I have come to the conclusion of 2 things; either he is playing us, or when he contradicts his own statements, like he believes all religions are man made then uses the Christian Bible written by Roman and Orthodox religions to base his beliefs on, and accepts that the people who wrote the Bible spoke the word of God, and doesn’t see how much like the Pharisees he is: such as the Pharisees believed they were the only right ones because they wore their religion on their sleeves and looked down on the publicans, and If I remember rightly they even accused Jesus of having a devil. He is entitled to his beliefs and I doubt that he is making many converts. ---
**Author:** ![Savantesque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Savantesque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savantesque)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/203 "2009-02-23T13:14:51Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > And then SentientMeat posted. He said words to this effect, “God would have to replace what I know with some other knowledge.” And of course, this was what I recognized as being necessary to believe in God. Belief is not a choice that is made. The whole thing I had with PRR originally was his insistence that belief in God was a choice, but his refusal to comply with my demand that he demonstrate his claim by choosing to believe. It was because he kept making that claim, but kept ignoring my demand that our relation quickly soured. Having all of my knowledge replaced would certainly do the trick for me as well. It looks like I’m out of luck, however, as your god hasn’t yet dropped by to rewire my head. I’m going to be pissed if I get tossed in a hell I don’t believe in because a god I don’t believe in is too busy to enlighten me. The funny thing is, as a kid I really truly believed. I also believed in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, but hey, my parents lied to me a lot as a child. The real pity is that they still to this day haven’t come clean about the God lie. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/204 "2009-02-23T14:28:22Z")
> [@Savantesque](#): > > Having all of my knowledge replaced would certainly do the trick for me as well. > > It looks like I’m out of luck, however, as your god hasn’t yet dropped by to rewire my head. I’m going to be pissed if I get tossed in a hell I don’t believe in because a god I don’t believe in is too busy to enlighten me. > > The funny thing is, as a kid I really truly believed. > > I also believed in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, but hey, my parents lied to me a lot as a child. The real pity is that they still to this day haven’t come clean about the God lie. What **Savantesque** said. Every Sunday, millions of cases of child abuse occur and yet society smiles and says that it’s all good. I refer, of course, to small children being dragged to a church to be brainwashed so that religion can inflict itself onto another generation. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/205 "2009-02-23T16:29:36Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > What **Savantesque** said. > > Every Sunday, millions of cases of child abuse occur and yet society smiles and says that it’s all good. I refer, of course, to small children being dragged to a church to be brainwashed so that religion can inflict itself onto another generation. Nice. **Lib** and I and a few others have tried to demonstrate by example that a religious faith and the capacity for critical thinking are not mutually incomenssurate. But your point is well taken – there are a LOT of Christian churches where the atmosphere is one of, “This is what you must think about this issue, and here’s the Biblical reason why – and disagreement is not permissible.” Brainwashing is an excellent word for it. ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/206 "2009-02-23T16:53:02Z")
> [@Ouija Boards - I used to think it was bull until......](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/357): > > They have/can take on may forms, I have seen them as appearing as human (males/females **and babies** ), animals, a pig faces little imp, shadow creatures, and disfigured spirits. > [@Ouija Boards - I used to think it was bull until......](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/369): > > Yesterday I walked on top of a lake and didn’t get wet at all. Okay, these quotes from the Ouija thread have really tipped the scales for me. So KB thinks that some babies are demons in disguise and that he, much like Jesus, can walk on water? I am going to throw my hat into the “KB is mentally ill” ring with the dopers who mentioned that they think KB might be delusional and just hope and pray that I never actually have any kind of direct contact with him. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/207 "2009-02-23T17:00:10Z")
> [@Ouija Boards - I used to think it was bull until......](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/369): > > Yesterday I walked on top of a lake and didn’t get wet at all. Okay. I officially retract my defenses of **kanicbird** in the other Pit thread about him. If he genuinely believes what he is posting, he is a nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/208 "2009-02-23T17:00:19Z")
Not to mention that he’s apparently taken strolls on the [Astral Plane](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10859587&postcount=321). Which I know is bullshit, as I’ve never seen him there once. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/209 "2009-02-23T17:18:48Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > Okay, these quotes from the Ouija thread have really tipped the scales for me. So KB thinks that some babies are demons in disguise and that he, much like Jesus, can walk on water? I am going to throw my hat into the “KB is mentally ill” ring with the dopers who mentioned that they think KB might be delusional and just hope and pray that I never actually have any kind of direct contact with him. Hey like I said many many times the power of God is available for everyone who seeks, but: Since it is winter **even atheists** can walk on the lakes here :D:D:D (perhaps if they pray they won’t even get wet) ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/210 "2009-02-23T17:43:06Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Hey like I said many many times the power of God is available for everyone who seeks, but: > > Since it is winter **even atheists** can walk on the lakes here :D:D:D (perhaps if they pray they won’t even get wet) Be that as it may, the rest of my post still stands. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/211 "2009-02-23T17:43:55Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > But I enjoyed our discussion, HMHW. All the best to you. Thanks, and I heartily return the good wishes. I feel I’ve learned a few things. > [@Polycarp](#): > > Okay, and this is not intended as a “Gotcha”. if you have a supernova/collapsar over a certain mass (I think it’s about 3.5 Sols left after explosion, could be wrong), the result does not stop with degeneracy pressure (white dwarf) or hadron exclusion (neutron star) but collapses into a black whole, the interior structure of which is not only presently but theoretically forever unknowable. We can study it from the outside using science – but science cannot tell us a thing about the interior. I read an absolutely mind-blowing essay by Jerry Pournelle on a presentation by Stephen Hawking entitled “The Breakdown of Physics in the Presence of Singularities.” > > There is at least one known black hole – Cygnus X-1. More theoretically predicted – but at least one “observed” (in the sense that nothing but a black hole’s presence would account for the observed phenomena). > > So we have at least one extant object that is not asmenable to scientific description. I also don’t intend this to be some sort of gotcha, but that’s not really true stated like that. While we can never observe the interior of a black hole, a theoretical description is, while hard, certainly not impossible. We would for a complete description need a complete theory of quantum gravity, which we don’t have yet, but even so, a number of interesting properties are quite well known – Hawking radiation would be one such result, and even more strikingly, via the Bekenstein bound, we know a black hole’s total information content (which is proportional to the area of its horizon). Some attempts of unifying quantum mechanics and general relativity – notably, string theory and loop quantum gravity – have already derived the values for the entropy of certain kinds of black holes, etc. So, we can describe their properties and predict their behaviour to some extent even now, which is pretty much all you get from scientific description anyway. > [@Polycarp](#): > > Damn good question. Here;s a better one: The Universe is, by definition, everything that exists, correct? Is it, therefore, necessarily equivalent to what is usually termed the physical universe – those things detectable and measurable by the senses, actually or theoretically, as augmented by instruments (from neutrino detectors to electron microscopes to hypothetical gravity-wave detectors to gamma-ray telescopes)? Can non-detectable phenomena exist? If so, can they be said to be ‘in the universe’ by whatever definition of universe you care to advance? The problem with non-detectable phenomena is that they are also necessarily non-interacting phenomena and hence don’t play a role in the universe, or indeed, to us (interaction is equivalent to detection). Whether or not those phenomena can be said to exist is more or less a question of what you take existence to mean – I tend to take the stance that, informally, there ought to be some hint of the phenomenon before I’d call it existent. It might be that, if and when that complete and unique TOE I’ve been blabbing about earlier is found, it necessarily entails the existence of some such phenomena, but even then, owing to their non-interacting nature, you can equally well accept or reject the notion of their existence. It’s not, in my opinion, that the question of whether or not they exist can’t be answered, but that it can’t really be meaningfully asked, since existence is simply not well defined enough in that regard; it’d be like asking about the roundness of a square. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/212 "2009-02-23T17:49:20Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > The problem with non-detectable phenomena is that they are also necessarily non-interacting phenomena and hence don’t play a role in the universe, or indeed, to us (interaction is equivalent to detection). Whether or not those phenomena can be said to exist is more or less a question of what you take existence to mean – I tend to take the stance that, informally, there ought to be some hint of the phenomenon before I’d call it existent. It might be that, if and when that complete and unique TOE I’ve been blabbing about earlier is found, it necessarily entails the existence of some such phenomena, but even then, owing to their non-interacting nature, you can equally well accept or reject the notion of their existence. It’s not, in my opinion, that the question of whether or not they exist can’t be answered, but that it can’t really be meaningfully asked, since existence is simply not well defined enough in that regard; it’d be like asking about the roundness of a square. I am sorry to inform you that the totality of your posts in this thread, and this post in particular, indicate that the latter half of your screen name is a colossal misnomer. Please discuss alternative names with **TubaDiva**. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/213 "2009-02-23T18:17:08Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > And wasn’t it some human who was supposed to have quoted Jesus as saying," Many are called but few are chosen"? Technically, yes. It’s Matthew 22:14, so at least it’s a genuine Bible quote. [Here’s the context](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2022&version=31): > [@Matthew 22:8-14](#): > > 8 "Then [the king] said to his servants, 'The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. > > 9 Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ > > 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests. > > 11 "But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. > > 12 ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless. > > 13 "Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ > > 14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.” Apparently, Jesus is a stickler for dress code. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/214 "2009-02-23T18:33:03Z")
So some rich guy is pissed off with the people he invited to a wedding so he kicks them all out and has his servants round up random schmoes off the street and when one of them doesn’t come up to snuff, he’s hog-tied and thrown in an alley. Is the The Bible or The Sopranos we’re talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/215 "2009-02-23T18:35:30Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Technically, yes. It’s Matthew 22:14, so at least it’s a genuine Bible quote. [Here’s the context](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2022&version=31): > > Apparently, Jesus is a stickler for dress code. LOL The way I understand that parable, though, taking it in the context of what Jesus has to say about personal behavior and His condemnation of the Pharisees, is, “Clean up _your own_ act. Behave morally – meaning by the standard of love for God and man. Do what God _really_ commands – not what some clown waving a Bible says He commands. And leave others to do the same.” For example, and by **my** interpretation: You’re gay? No big deal – but treat those you’re attracted to with love and commitment, not as casual sex objects. You’re not gay? Same thing – clean up how you act towards others, and stop worrying about whether _they’re_ sinning. **You’re** sinning against _them_!" The ‘wedding garments’ are the changed life behaving according to what God wants (as taught by Jesus, not as abstracted from random prooftexts) – if you want to be at the King’s wedding feast, clean yourself up – not somebody else!" ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/216 "2009-02-23T18:39:58Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Technically, yes. It’s Matthew 22:14, so at least it’s a genuine Bible quote. [Here’s the context](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2022&version=31): > > Apparently, Jesus is a stickler for dress code. In a matter of speaking, yes He is, we are to clothe ourselves with Christ (Ro 13:14) In doing so become more conformed to His likeness (Ro 8:29). To the point that we become one with Him in a marital relationship relationship between Christ (bridegroom) and the church (bride)(Eph 5:31,32). Failure to do this would mean that you didn’t do the work that God had for you AFTER He called you, but when your own way. IMHO It is also the reason that we believers get to pray in the name and authority of Jesus, we as the bride of Jesus get to use His name in it’s full authority, just as a (human) bride gets to take the name of her husband, she gets full authority of that name and is fully accepted as a member of that family. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/217 "2009-02-23T20:17:39Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I am sorry to inform you that the totality of your posts in this thread, and this post in particular, indicate that the latter half of your screen name is a colossal misnomer. Please discuss alternative names with **TubaDiva**. So, you’re saying the first part is accurate? Shall we take this outside? 😉 (Thanks, btw.) ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/218 "2009-02-23T20:20:38Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > So, you’re saying the first part is accurate? Shall we take this outside? 😉 (Thanks, btw.) I’m saying I have no evidence of your chromosome count or penis size, and in fact don’t want any. And you don’t want to duel with me, sir. I cheat as a matter of course. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/219 "2009-02-23T20:24:27Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Okay. I officially retract my defenses of **kanicbird** in the other Pit thread about him. If he genuinely believes what he is posting, he is a nutjob. (Well, after reading his recent post in this thread, let’s hope he really DID mean that he went ice-skating) Other than that, dude needs serious psychiatric help. If you’re really, truly seeing demons in children and animals, then THAT IS A SIGN OF PSYCHIATRIC ILLNESS, **Kanicbird**!!! There is NO SHAME in seeking help. Ever stop and think that maybe God is helping you through the actions of your doctors? Remember the old joke of the drowning man who refuses help claiming that “God will save me?” Do you remember what happens to him? Don’t be an idiot-GET HELP. Seriously. You NEED it. (Oh, and for those arguing about whether or not God and such exists in the first place-please, do NOT start arguing with him-that’s the LAST thing this guy needs right now. Like I said, if he’s not yanking our chains-and considering how long he’s been here, I doubt it-then he needs help.) ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/220 "2009-02-23T21:02:35Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Other than that, dude needs serious psychiatric help. If you’re really, truly seeing demons in children and animals, then THAT IS A SIGN OF PSYCHIATRIC ILLNESS, **Kanicbird**!!! There is NO SHAME in seeking help. Ever stop and think that maybe God is helping you through the actions of your doctors? Remember the old joke of the drowning man who refuses help claiming that “God will save me?” Do you remember what happens to him? > > Don’t be an idiot-GET HELP. Seriously. You NEED it. Thank God you came along to give him your diagnosis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555.md?page=12)