# Kanicbird, you are an idiot. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555 "2009-02-19T15:53:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/21 "2009-02-19T17:59:32Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > …science tried to find the truth about a false world. He’s morphing into The Moody Blues. The end is nigh. Be patient. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/22 "2009-02-19T18:00:36Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Except that “Jesus is the same yesterday, today, & forever.” And in the minds of Trinitarians he is identical in nature, will, and substance to the God of the Old Testament, yet distinct from his person. I weep for people who can’t tell obvious religious rationalizations and wackjobbery from fact. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/23 "2009-02-19T18:04:19Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I weep for people who can’t tell obvious religious rationalizations and wackjobbery from fact. What do you mean by this, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/24 "2009-02-19T18:06:28Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > What do you mean by this, exactly? My understanding is that he’s calling Trinitarians wackjobs/rationalizers. What that means in the larger context of this discussion, I have no idea. We need a “shrug” smiley. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/25 "2009-02-19T18:07:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > My understanding is that he’s calling Trinitarians wackjobs/rationalizers. What that means in the larger context of this discussion, I have no idea. We need a “shrug” smiley. YOu’re probably right. I’m just in a very bad mood. I most likely should not have started this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/26 "2009-02-19T18:13:30Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > What do you mean by this, exactly? I mean by this, _exactly_, that the belief you described, which I’m not necessarily saying belongs to you, is so obviously manufactured and rationalized and cobbled together from horseshit and doublespeak that it has no practical meaning, and anyone who believes in the literal reality of such gobbledygook is a chump and a sucker who shouldn’t be allowed outdoors unsupervised. I mean, seriously. Just look at it. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/27 "2009-02-19T18:13:33Z")
I contend that the appearance of Kanicbird immediately diminishes the quality of any thread. If I am wrong and someone can show me an example where this tool made an intelligent contribution to a discussion I will withdraw my claim. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/28 "2009-02-19T18:15:50Z")
**kanicbird** , everything you said in your last post is moronic. Sorry, but I have a busy afternoon ahead – I thought I’d beat the rush. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/29 "2009-02-19T18:20:21Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I mean by this, _exactly_, that the belief you described, which I’m not necessarily saying belongs to you, is so obviously manufactured and rationalized and cobbled together from horseshit and doublespeak that it has no practical meaning, and anyone who believes in the literal reality of such gobbledygook is a chump and a sucker who shouldn’t be allowed outdoors unsupervised. > > I mean, seriously. Just look at it. By that standard, anyone who believes the Bible has some sort of value as a moral guide (or anything other than as an excellent work of fiction or paperweight or hotel nightstand decoration) is a chump and a sucker. Contending that the Bible is allegorical is itself a rationalization. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/30 "2009-02-19T18:29:09Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > My understanding is that he’s calling Trinitarians wackjobs/rationalizers. What that means in the larger context of this discussion, I have no idea. We need a “shrug” smiley. What’s wrong with Trinidad? It’s the Toboggans that are wack jobs. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/31 "2009-02-19T18:36:04Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > What’s wrong with Trinidad? It’s the Toboggans that are wack jobs. Actually, wouldn’t they be snow jobs? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/32 "2009-02-19T19:02:25Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Actually, wouldn’t they be snow jobs? You’re thinking of snowballing. Although I’m not sure how it fits in here. ---
**Author:** ![Dog80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@Dog80](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dog80)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/33 "2009-02-19T19:08:31Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird in the other thread, my bolding] God states in His Word that man’s wisdom is really foolishness (paraphrased), what we can discover (though science) is not the truth, it misleads us to a false understanding of the world. **God states in His Word that He did this (or allowed this) on purpose.** [/QUOTE] According to Terry Prattchet, the world was created in a mere instant, neither seven days, nor millions and millions of years. The different strata and the fossilized bones found in them are faked by the Creator (who is a different entity from God or Gods) just to have fun with modern day geologists and paleontologists. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/34 "2009-02-19T19:13:56Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > It’s pure unsupportable faith to think that there’s any truth other than what science can reveal. Is that the truth? ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/35 "2009-02-19T19:21:13Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > You’re thinking of snowballing. Although I’m not sure how it fits in here. Because reading this stuff is the equivalent of being repeatedly snowballed on the street by strangers. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/36 "2009-02-19T19:21:44Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Science is indeed incapable of discovering the truth. Are you really really really sure of that? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/37 "2009-02-19T19:24:39Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > I contend that the appearance of Kanicbird immediately diminishes the quality of any thread. Or worse: Your argument is totally shot to hell if Kanicbird agrees with you. (Panache’s Law) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/38 "2009-02-19T19:25:10Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > What do you mean by “the truth”? Can you give an example of a truth you believe science cannot discover? It can’t discover the truth of ANY analytic claim, of which there are practically an infinite number. It can’t discover, for example, the truth of whether 1+1=2. Now before you get all huffy and everything, consider the implication of that claim. It is that 1+1 _will always_ equal 2. You can do an experiment to show that, say, 1 rock plus another rock has equalled 2 rocks. And you can do that experiment many many times, until you have convinced yourself that it is very likely that 1 rock plus another rock will equal 2 rocks if you try again. But that is outside what your experiment has told you. It did not tell you anything about the future; only about what you tried. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you about the pitfalls and shortcomings of inductive reasoning — that is, reasoning from the particular to the general. Such reasoning can lead to conclusions like “it is always dangerous to encounter a black man in an alley at night”. What you need to prove the truth of 1+1=2 is a DEductive epistemology. Like math, for instance. Or logic. Those will prove that 1+1 will always equal 2, even in the future. Science was never intended to discover what is true; it is intended to discover what is _false_. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/39 "2009-02-19T19:47:47Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Science was never intended to discover what is true; it is intended to discover what is _false_. Which then follows that science has already proven Christianity (or at least, Young Earth Creationism) to be false, due to the overwhelming evidence of rocks and distant stars which are billions of years old. However, it’s more accurate to say that scientific laws are merely approximations, and as we obtain better observational tools, these approximations come closer to truth, close enough for us to declare something as “the truth” with 99.999999% accuracy. Therefore, while science cannot _prove_ that **kanicbird** is a self-deluded idiot, it’s fair to claim that he’s very much approximately a self-deluded idiot. In other words, close enough for government work. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555/40 "2009-02-19T19:49:13Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Which then follows that science has already proven Christianity (or at least, Young Earth Creationism) to be false, due to the overwhelming evidence of rocks and distant stars which are billions of years old. That’s exactly right, and is why I’m an evolutionist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanicbird-you-are-an-idiot/486555.md?page=3)