I care. For the record: It was you who was the original bomb-thrower, accusing me of being one dumb fucker with perhaps the worst case of internalized homophobia (you)'ve ever witnessed.
I consider any sexual contact between minors and adults deviant, unnatural and criminal. It has absolutely nothing to do the sex of the parties involved. You had your panties in such a knot you made the large stretch of linking my definition of child molestation to homosexual sex.If you’ll retract your homophobia comment and cna honestly refute at least 2 sentences in the following mission statement, I’ll write a long & heartfelt apology next time I’m logged on:
No worries, Larry. I won’t respond properly tonight since I’ve been procrastinating too, although in my case “company” is a short paper on XML pattern matching so I feel justified :).
No, because most states, Kansas included, do not make it a crime if the people having sex with each other are within a certain age of each other. Statutory rape in Kansas happens if the victim is 14 to 16 and the perpetrator is 18 or over. The victim simply, legally, cannot consent.
But if they’re both underage and both within a certain age of each other (2 years for Kansas I believe), it is not illegal. Thus, a 16 year old could legally have sex with a 14 year old.
I suppose that technically, you can try to make an argument you and this other person were serially raping each other, but you really weren’t. You both lacked the ability to consent. No, it probably doesn’t make sense to you. It’s the way the law works.
A complete defense to statutory rape is to be married to a victim at the time the act was committed. How can the person consent to marriage if he or she can’t consent to sex? I don’t know. I really don’t.
Except that’s not what happened. An 18 year old is not an adult. You know what, John, I’m not even going to address your quote from NAMBLA directly. I’ll not apologize because you’re still trying to imply that I support NAMBLA because I think it’s outrageous that a mentally-retarded 18 year old boy is given an 18 year sentence for giving another kid a blowjob. Your apology would be as worthless as your opinion. Two teen aged boys willingly trading blowjobs is not molestation. It is not pedeophilia. It destroys no lives and wrecks no families. It may be inappropriate but should not be criminal. In fact I’d wager the prosecution of this case has caused far more harm than the hummer did.
I’m sorry for whatever in your life is causing you to react so irrationally towards Limon. Get therapy for it.
Enderw24 It’s also a crime if the person is 16 or over, which is “age of consent”, but their lover is more than 4 years older than they are. They can only consent to having sex with someone 4 years older (exactly) or less than they are, until they reach age 18, which is considered adulthood.
I’ll give you a response. You have convinced me that you’re not personally a bigot. So I apologize for intemperately calling you a bigot. However, I still believe your strict constructional/orginal intent interpretation of the Constitution is wrong and, in practice, supports bigotry.
Do you think an 18 year sentence in this case violates the 8th Amendment?
I appreciate the apology, Homebrew - thank you very much.
Yes. Of course, I’m not the best guy to ask about it, because I believe a proper Eighth Amendment analysis, using the principles espoused in Weems and Robinson, should invalidate the death penalty. Clearly, modern jurisprudence doesn’t agree.
Still, the proportionality test of Weems seems obvious here: an 18-year sentence for statutory sexual offense, with no force or coercion, is crazy. I think it’s very likely the sentence was motivated by the impermissible ick-factor that the crime involved homosexual sex, as evidence by the legislative acceptance of a lesser crime when the participants are of opposite sex. I would reverse and remand for re-sentencing. (This analysis is based on the facts as outlined above – if it turned out that the sentencing hearing revealed other relevant factors, uncharged bad acts, etc., then I might change my mind).
Let’s see: Would I let a heterosexual adult who believes that sex between an 18 year old male is 14 year old female is ok around my daughter? How about 18.99 and 14.01? No way in hell! You are a pervert, and I would not let you in the same building as my son.
Let me be clear: You are an unfit parent, and could not be trusted to be a Big Brother or Boy Scout Leader. I hope you are none of the three. As hard as it may be for you to understand, this has nothing to do with your sexual orientation. Until today, I though the Boy Scout’s position on homosexuals was pathetic. Now I wonder that maybe you are the only one they ever met. No, it is still pathetic, and so are you.
Anyone got any Tilex? I seem to have a little mildew culture growing in my drain. You sure like to label people as “unfit parents”. As with the previous case, you’ve got your head up your ass this time. I am an excellent father. If you don’t believe me, just ask my son.
I’ll say it again. Consensual sexual relations between 18 and 14 year olds may be inappropriate but should not be felonies that result in the older kid spending 18 years in prison and having to register as sex offender. If you’re over 20, then certainly it should be heavily sanctioned. But for two people who can be in high school at the same time, it’s absurd.
Well, fortunately for me, given that my Karma took such a deserved hit last time, I actually read all the post this time. First, I’ll agree that this is only opinion. You have yours, I have mine. There is no cosmic law involved here. Second, an 18 year sentence may very well be inappropriate in this case (I do not know the facts well enough to comment one way of the other, and I have already learned my lesson thank you Straight Dope).
However, I feel good that the court of public opinion is on my side (this does not always mean you are right, but more often than not it does). Sex between 14 and 18 year olds is wrong on many levels. There is too much difference in education, power and maturity. To suggest that it is merely inappropriate, like farting at the dinner table, makes you sound, well, silly. This sort of thing is illegal, and I hope it stays that way. So does most of the rest of America.
I would like to know if you would have a problem with your son, when he is 18, having sex with a 14 year old girl? How about your 14 year old daughter with an 18 year old man? How about your 14 year old daughter with your 18 year old son (I mean, it is consensual, what is the problem?) Are you actually listening to yourself?
I am curious, have you ever worked with sexually abused kids or teen parent (I say parent b/c there is rarely more than one. 95% of the time the boy off with the next hoochy by the time the prenency is known). If not, I suggest a turn. It might change some of your opinions. If you have, and carry your present opinions, I am even more appalled than I am already.
Lastly, just b/c your son says you are a good parent does not make it so. I have seen children from home-brew porno films who thought there parents were the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don’t know you, maybe overall you are a great parent, maybe would even be pals, who knows, but your posting in this thread make you look very out-of-touch. In my opinion.