# Kansas gets it right! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2005, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-gets-it-right/327642 "2005-10-24T10:35:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-gets-it-right/327642/21 "2005-10-26T21:29:56Z")
> [@Arwin](#): > > Doesn’t that last sentence contradict itself? No, not really. _Many_ people support gay marriage. _Most_ people do not. Ergo, no gay marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-gets-it-right/327642/22 "2005-10-26T21:40:45Z")
**Miller** , Are you assuming that churches would not be allowed to marry people? Or that people who prefer JP marriages to church marriages are the ones who would feel that something was taken from them? In other words, what is wrong with a system that says marriage is the province of the church, while civil unions are the province of government? ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-gets-it-right/327642/23 "2005-10-26T21:48:33Z")
😕 It’s not that I’m not grateful to anyone who posts in a thread I started but, er, the OP isn’t actually about gay marriage ya know. I would have thought folks would have been happy to talk about an issue of gay rights that _wasn’t_ about marriage, just for a change 🙂 . ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-gets-it-right/327642/24 "2005-10-26T21:54:55Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > [http://channels.isp.netscape.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20051021%2F1913624832.htm&sc=1110&floc=isp-15&related=off&from=news](http://channels.isp.netscape.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20051021%2F1913624832.htm&sc=1110&floc=isp-15&related=off&from=news) > > But I’m pitting then because it took them 4 years. So they’re not telling Fred to move his church to Antartica, then? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-gets-it-right/327642/25 "2005-10-26T22:12:28Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > **Miller** , > > Are you assuming that churches would not be allowed to marry people? Or that people who prefer JP marriages to church marriages are the ones who would feel that something was taken from them? In other words, what is wrong with a system that says marriage is the province of the church, while civil unions are the province of government? The problem with is the enourmous propaganda value such a proposal would hand to those opposed to giving homosexual relationships any sort of official recognition, regardless of what term is used. As it stands now, the only thing the various gay rights organizations are asking for is the same thing heterosexuals have. And it is still be portrayed by the opposition as “Gays are trying to destroy marriage.” Can you imagine what they could do if major gay rights organizations started advocating this proposal? People place an _enormous_ amount of emotional significance in the word “marriage.” So much so that most Americans are against letting gays marry, but _in favor_ of giving them civil unions which grant them all the same rights as marriage, _just so long as we don’t get to call it marriage._ There’s nothing wrong with the idea of getting the government out of marriage. It’s a rational, equitable, and simple solution to the problem. That’s why it’ll never fly in the US. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-gets-it-right/327642/26 "2005-10-26T22:50:08Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, not really. _Many_ people support gay marriage. _Most_ people do not. Ergo, no gay marriage. Also, when I said “us” I meant members of this message board, as I thought that was the context of **fushj** ’s comment. We could ALL advocate that policy and still be just a tiny minority in this country (the USA, that is). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-gets-it-right/327642.md?page=1)