# Kansas, O Kansas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2014, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712 "2014-11-05T05:16:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/61 "2014-11-05T21:24:02Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well I’m also from Kansas and I dont see it as bad as you. My first question to you though is what state should we compare Kansas to? True; it’s better than Mississippi. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/62 "2014-11-05T21:38:55Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > I got distracted when I read about “mountain biking” … in Kansas. Huh? Try this site: [http://www.kansascyclist.com/trails/MountainBikeTrails.html](http://www.kansascyclist.com/trails/MountainBikeTrails.html)Granted this isnt Colorado. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/63 "2014-11-05T21:39:46Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Well, there is this one for example, > > Now it only one and not entirely analogous to what is being discussed, but if there is one thing I’ve learned about Bricker logic is that it only takes one example of something vaguely similar to in order make both sides equivalent with a shout of “Your side does it too”. So we should be done here. Not in the least. That’s a statement about liberal politicians; it says nothing about liberal voters. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/64 "2014-11-05T21:42:36Z")
> [@JesterX](#): > > Guess what’s? You’re not the ONLY conservative and sdmb is not the ONLY forum where conservatives express their views. You want an example . . . [Obama voters wanted “free stuff”](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/oreilly-minorities-and-women-voting-obama-because-they-want-stuff/) On the SDMB, though, is the comparison I’m making. I readily concede the existence of people spouting foolishness and leaning conservative elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/65 "2014-11-05T22:00:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > On the SDMB, though, is the comparison I’m making. I readily concede the existence of people spouting foolishness and leaning conservative elsewhere. You still haven’t addressed the ridiculousness and inequality of comparing yourself, alone, to a vast number of people on the other side. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/66 "2014-11-05T22:34:23Z")
Yeah, back to the Iowa thing … we are now “lucky” enough to be represented in DC by both Steve King and Joni Ernst. That’s the biggest combination of Tea Party derpitude for one state since Michele Bachmann and her imaginary identical cousin. Ernst is going to make Washington squeal, just like the pigs she castrated. She carries heat to protect herself from “the feds,” so I guess that means … from herself? She called America the greatest country “ **in the face** of the world” (which may not actually be an unintentional slip of the tongue, considering “in your face” seems to be the Tea Party/GOP worldview). She thinks corporations are people, but government is not. So yeah, Kansas. Iowa is doubling down. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/67 "2014-11-05T23:26:57Z")
I heard the writer Steven King offered the politician $10 million to change his name. Or maybe I didn’t hear that and its just a scuzzy rumor I’m starting. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/68 "2014-11-05T23:40:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Not in the least. That’s a statement about liberal politicians; it says nothing about liberal voters. It’s as similar as comparing senator appointments to voter suppression among other things which I understand from a reliable source are close enough to prove the equivalence of both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/69 "2014-11-05T23:57:52Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > I know Texans like to think they are in a whole 'nother country, but I think Texas is still part of the US. I once had a friend go to the Texas DMV to get a Texas driver’s license. They’d been in Fairbanks Alaska for over three years. The clerk explained about all the documentation and driving tests my friend would need to take, because _“we don’t accept driver’s licenses from foreign countries.”_ ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/70 "2014-11-06T00:23:31Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I once had a friend go to the Texas DMV to get a Texas driver’s license. They’d been in Fairbanks Alaska for over three years. The clerk explained about all the documentation and driving tests my friend would need to take, because _“we don’t accept driver’s licenses from foreign countries.”_ I’m just impressed that was regarding Alaska and not New Mexico. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/71 "2014-11-06T00:23:37Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Stolen. Hey, I SAID it was an old bit of electoral doggerel. I never claimed it for my own. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/72 "2014-11-06T00:49:27Z")
[snooty pedantic tone] Bill Safire unless I am quite mistaken [/snooty pedantic tone] ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/73 "2014-11-06T02:45:39Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Stolen. > [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > Hey, I SAID it was an old bit of electoral doggerel. I never claimed it for my own. 😃 Okay, I’ll be more explicit. _Re_-stolen. ---
**Author:** ![Megaera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/megaera/32/1405_2.png) [@Megaera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Megaera)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/74 "2014-11-06T03:58:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Now, the likelihood is that you don’t know me from Adam, and you have no particular reason to take any of my posts as received wisdom from the heavens. But I offer it anyway, along with a hearty welcome to the SDMB. And a congratulations to you for lurking for ten months between registering and posting. Ten months may be a LITTLE long, but if more new members would lurk for a significant period before their inaugural post, more of them would probably stay. May your time as a Doper be pleasant and fruitful. 🙂 I had not formed an opinion yet. I’ll take yours under consideration, certainly. I didn’t post for 10 months because I didn’t have anything I wanted to say. And I was reading. Fascinating stuff on this board. (I lurked on Usenet for 8 _years_ before I posted there. Again, busy reading.) Anyway, I do need to learn how to quote properly on here next. I worked the last 6 weeks, 7 days a week, without a break so that might not happen tonight. No one is perfect. Not a one. Least of all me. I’m just a cranky old woman, a recovered SysAdmin, who is rapidly learning to loathe where I am for a great many reasons, state politics being only a small part but a relevant one. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/75 "2014-11-06T08:08:37Z")
> [@Dorjan](#): > > The problem isn’t that people are voting against their best interests. The problem is that outside of presidential elections, young people can’t be bothered to actually vote. This. (Well, they’re both problems). BTW, I’m a Lawrence Liberal, like Paul Davis. People here are walking around like it’s _The Day After_ (much of which was filmed here). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/76 "2014-11-06T08:14:22Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > I got distracted when I read about “mountain biking” … in Kansas. Huh? Dropped Pin near Lawrence River Trails, Lawrence, KS 66044 [http://goo.gl/maps/TB1gF](http://goo.gl/maps/TB1gF) I agree that “mountain bike” is a bad name for the object in question, and that your post was funny. I do walk, bike, or drive up a real Kansas “mountain” every day – Mount Oread (it’s got a 150-foot vertical, and you can see for a mile or two from the top!). ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/77 "2014-11-06T11:44:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You won’t ever find single example of me excoriating the voters for being idiots for electing Democrats. Because, in your heart, you know we are right. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/78 "2014-11-06T14:51:43Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Dropped Pin > near Lawrence River Trails, Lawrence, KS 66044 > [Google Maps](http://goo.gl/maps/TB1gF) > > I agree that “mountain bike” is a bad name for the object in question, and that your post was funny. I do walk, bike, or drive up a real Kansas “mountain” every day – Mount Oread (it’s got a 150-foot vertical, and you can see for a mile or two from the top!). Oh, so your a KU student. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/79 "2014-11-06T14:59:07Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Personally, I tend to blame Democratic candidates when they lose, because most of the time they act like total pussies when they campaign. They lack the courage of their convictions and seem to think it’s more desirable to not offend conservative voters than it is to appeal to liberal voters. > > I’ve said before that people want to rally behind a champion. If you sit there and weasel about whether you voted for the president, you deserve to lose. > > Here the record to run on is so strong (economics, social policy, foreign policy) that only a milquetoast pantywaist would run from it. Fuck those kind of Democrats until they learn the lesson. I think their is more to it than that. You know the saying “working with democrats is like trying to herd cats”. Thats very true. The democratic candidates picked are usually the ones the most liberal sides of the party have vetted. I know of one case where a very good candidate couldnt get the party nod because the Union people didnt like him. Pro business democrats dont get the party nod at least not in Kansas. Most candidates are attorneys. Another thing, the democratic candidate or any candidate has to hit the ground running and really press the flesh. Get around. Campaign. Shake hands. Kiss babies. Listen to people. Tell why and when they have the views they have. Be able to defend your stands. Bill Clinton was the best at this. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/80 "2014-11-06T15:59:52Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Thats very true. The democratic candidates picked are usually the ones the most liberal sides of the party have vetted. Bullshit. Most Democratic candidates are moderates. > [@](#): > > Pro business democrats dont get the party nod at least not in Kansas. Most candidates are attorneys. Show me one anti-business Democratic candidate. > [@](#): > > Another thing, the democratic candidate or any candidate has to hit the ground running and really press the flesh. Get around. Campaign. Shake hands. Kiss babies. Listen to people. Tell why and when they have the views they have. Be able to defend your stands. Yeah, I think that’s what I already said. > [@](#): > > Bill Clinton was the best at this. Perhaps, but re: your prior assertion, Clinton was not remotely the most liberal candidate. He was a moderate, but he was good at triangulation. He was not a liberal champion. See “Sister Souljah moment” for example. HOWEVER, he also mostly avoided being a mealy mouthed pussy. See “it’s the economy, stupid.” So, he at least appeared to strongly advocate for his positions instead of cowering. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712.md?page=5)