# Kansas, O Kansas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2014, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712 "2014-11-05T05:16:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/81 "2014-11-06T20:25:14Z")
[QUOTE=Urbanredneck] Well I’m also from Kansas and I dont see it as bad as you. My first question to you though is what state should we compare Kansas to? [/QUOTE] > [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > True; it’s better than Mississippi. For now. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/82 "2014-11-06T20:38:59Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Okay, I’ll be more explicit. > > _Re_-stolen. Oh. So what you are saying is that \*you \*will be stealing it. Gotcha. I found it in Bill Safire’s _New Political Dictionary_, a great resource for any politics junkie. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/83 "2014-11-06T21:02:04Z")
As a Kansan I’m depressed at the election results, but I still love my state and my home town. And even though I don’t like the results of the election, damn, at least the folks who voted for the winners VOTED. What really pisses me off if the folks who bitch and moan about how things are run, but then we discover they didn’t vote at all… Hell, as I’ve said before my grandmother voted, for the last time, in 2012, three weeks before she died at the age of 107. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/84 "2014-11-06T22:40:56Z")
As a Kansas I’m pissed at the election results. It was almost like my vote was the “kiss of death”; almost everyone I voted for lost. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/85 "2014-11-06T23:30:02Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Oh, so your a KU student. 🙂 I was the last time I “mountain biked” that particular trail, you’re right about that! Now, just a postdoctoral researcher… ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/86 "2014-11-07T01:22:50Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > As a Kansas :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/87 "2014-11-07T01:57:17Z")
> [@Dorjan](#): > > The problem isn’t that people are voting against their best interests. The problem is that outside of presidential elections, young people can’t be bothered to actually vote. I wonder about this. I vote Democrat, but if I lived in Texas I’d register as a Republican so I could at least influence the Republican primary. It’s hard not to feel disenfranchised, young or otherwise, when you live in one of the many states that vote for the same party regardless of the moppet running. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/88 "2014-11-07T03:31:04Z")
Not trying to derail the thread, but I couldn’t post this in [the thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=739953)where I wanted to post it. And it’s not big enough for its own thread. > [@Bricker](#): > > I do. > > I’ve been posting here since 1999. You won’t ever find single example of me excoriating the voters for being idiots for electing Democrats. > > I can find plenty of examples of liberals doing it. Wish that level of integrity applied to when you won. Not only have I never excoriated voters for being idiots for electing Republicans, you will not find me talking about how happy it makes me that the Republicans that lost are upset, nor taking a single conservative’s post in frustration and turning it into something all conservatives do. You may not be a sore loser, but you are a sore winner. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/89 "2014-11-07T05:21:12Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Bullshit. Most Democratic candidates are moderates. Show me one anti-business Democratic candidate. Nancy Pelosi for one. Hillary Clinton who recently said that businesses dont create jobs. Democratic candidates have to pass muster from the Unions and they very often are not pro-business. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/90 "2014-11-07T12:54:33Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You may not be a sore loser, but you are a sore winner. That’s because 2012 still stings. Given the choice, I would rather win 2012 and lose 2014 than the other way around, and apparently so does Bricker. Neener, neener. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/91 "2014-11-07T13:27:13Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Nancy Pelosi for one. Hillary Clinton who recently said that businesses dont create jobs. > > Democratic candidates have to pass muster from the Unions and they very often are not pro-business. Both of those people are huge recipients of corporate cash. Pelosi is married to a hugely successful real estate guy. You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. Perhaps you could define what “pro-business” means. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/92 "2014-11-07T16:25:43Z")
“The business of America is business.” - Calvin Coolidge ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/93 "2014-11-07T16:35:24Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > As a Kansas I’m pissed at the election results. It was almost like my vote was the “kiss of death”; almost everyone I voted for lost. I felt that way from 2000-2008. I half-wonder if I’m going to have another 8 years of this again. Also, this year I had the choice of a far-right Republican and a Tea Party-type member in one state race. I had to go beyond holding my nose, and right into having a drink to fill that one in. (Absentee ballot, northeast Florida). ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/94 "2014-11-07T16:39:44Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > :eek: I hate posting from my phone. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/95 "2014-11-08T06:55:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I do. > > I’ve been posting here since 1999. You won’t ever find single example of me excoriating the voters for being idiots for electing Democrats. That’s because you have a pretty high resistance to cognitive dissonance. If electing Democrats instead of Republicans where an inherently idiotic thing to do, then you would be justified come on nay, obligated to excoriate the idiots who did it. It’s not, though, so you don’t. Since that set of conditionals does not apply to the election of Republicans, the two actions should not be judged by the same set of criteria. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/96 "2014-11-08T07:13:31Z")
Missed the edit window: That said, I do try to confine my excoriating to private conversations and the inside of my own head. Even idiots have feelings, and it’s really not nice to gratuitously hurt them. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/97 "2014-11-08T07:20:23Z")
(Fixed that for me – preview is my friend [del]even[/del] especially when posting from my phone.) That’s because you have a pretty high resistance to cognitive dissonance. If electing Democrats instead of Republicans were an inherently idiotic thing to do, then you would be justified, nay, obligated to excoriate the idiots who did it. It’s not, though, so you don’t. Since that set of conditionals does not apply to the election of Republicans, the two actions should not be judged by the same set of criteria. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/98 "2014-11-08T09:31:55Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > The funniest part of Democrats losing is how they lash out at everyone for not voting for them. IOZ said it best: > > > [@](#): > > > > Liberals were once fond of arguing that behind the patriotic gauze, Conservatives really hated America. They were always traducing its core, Constitutional values. It was a parochial but pithy observation that had, that has merit. On the other hand, liberals like Marcotte secretly despise the very system of representative government that they purport to venerate. They hate voters and think them ignorant. They believe in a sort of bowdlerized, near-universal false consciousness. They harp constantly on the poor fools who just don’t know what’s best for them, who are “dumb as bricks.” What an odd view of the “best and noblest form of government, the highest development of human society yet to grace the Earth.” > > Right now the Daily Kos comment section is a gold mine of this sort of mentality. Maybe Thomas Frank should pen a sequel to _What’s the Matter with Kansas?_ I was raised on Wm. F. Buckley. I am quite convinced that truth is not consensual, that reality is not a matter of opinion, that a majority can be wrong, and the voice of the people is not the voice of God. You seem to believe that the majority can never be wrong. Well, that way lies madness. The point of progressivism is to educate the people, not reflect them. Too many liberals and populists think of themselves as “for justice, democracy, and progress” (whether they end up on the left or right side of the aisle) when they’re just reflecting the prejudices of the masses. That’s as true of Barry Obama as it is of Scott Walker. We don’t need populism. We need science. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712/99 "2014-11-08T09:37:14Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well I’m also from Kansas and I dont see it as bad as you. My first question to you though is what state should we compare Kansas to? > > I personally think its a pretty good place to live and my city, Overland Park, has been voted the top 10 communities in the country. Our school systems, Blue Valley, Shawnee Mission, and Desoto, are some of the best. We have a top community college in Johnson County Community College. We have a thriving art scene. We have beautiful (and free) public parks like Deanna Rose and the Overland Park arboretum. If I want to go mountain biking, camping, fishing - any of those things they arent bumper to bumper crowded. We have a low unemployment rate, low crime rate, and best of all - its all affordable. One can buy a home here for less than $100k. > > I’m sorry for your experience as a computer tech with sexism. I dont understand why you didnt just move when their are so many tech firms in the area hiring. [This thing you’re doing in this post, this is what we call trying to change the subject.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtddl9_9kbQ) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kansas-o-kansas/703712.md?page=4)