# Kanye storms stage at Grammys, upset that Beck beat Beyonce for Album of the Year **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 9, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209 "2015-02-09T12:43:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/61 "2015-02-10T01:25:06Z")
I thought maybe I should listen to these songs before saying anything. I played some Beck and thought it was pretty good and went for the next one. Then I gave Beyonce a try. Fast forward. Fast forward. Fast forward. Quit. I should know by now that Beyonce is unlistenable. If he hadn’t been so bitter in his interview it may have passed off as a joke this time, but he’s just a bad loser. For all his success I wouldn’t have thought him a loser but he really works to be one. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/62 "2015-02-10T01:37:21Z")
He could probably make up his own awards show if he wanted. Unfortunately people would probably watch The Kanye Awards and then they’d gain actual respect. Which would be irritating. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/63 "2015-02-10T01:42:29Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > Also, I agree with a previous poster, that his obsession for Beyonce seems a little unhealthy. Jay-Z should start talking up Kim Kardashian all the time (unfortunately, Jay-Z’s got manners, so he can’t get quite the true Kanye effect). Just confuse the hell out of Kanye. ---
**Author:** ![Lemmytheseal2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/82dd89/32.png) [@Lemmytheseal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemmytheseal2)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/64 "2015-02-10T01:45:38Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I have no idea what that means, but I’m glad you enjoy it. > > Personally, when I see these skinny, greasy punks with more tattoos than a senior chief petty officer, “real” is the last thing I think of. > > Yes, I’m old. Keep in mind that I would include the rather dapper Leonard Cohen in that category, along with the relatively clean-cut Bob Dylan, Richard Thompson, Kathleen Edwards, and Natalie Merchant. Also, Rush! So I take it you won’t feel empowered by The Dreaming’s “[Alone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvIHBlVKGd4)”, a powerful song of solidarity that I wish Leelah Alcorn could have heard? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/65 "2015-02-10T02:02:13Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > The all-time greats like Crosby, Sinatra, etc. are all-time greats not just because they had great voices, but because they sang great songs. Some would say that the ALL-TIME greats are chaps with names like Mozart, Beethoven and Bach. If you want to get snooty about it. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/66 "2015-02-10T02:02:19Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > No, were stuck with the fact that people who play instruments have talent. > > People who just sing don’t. So there. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/67 "2015-02-10T03:05:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Who gives a tin shit what his beef was? He should sit down and keep his pie hole shut. > > Regards, > Shodan Agree. Next time he leaves his seat at an awards show, have a security guard cap his worthless ass. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/68 "2015-02-10T03:06:19Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > The idea of Beck giving his Grammy to Beyonce makes me think of [Homer’s Oscar](https://vamosdevan.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/homer-simpson-oscar-statue-don-ameche.jpg). [The Simpsons put the Grammys in perspective.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf9V0hwJ6qk) ---
**Author:** ![Lemmytheseal2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/82dd89/32.png) [@Lemmytheseal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemmytheseal2)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/69 "2015-02-10T03:11:43Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > :dubious: It’s not that exactly. It’s more that people who don’t write their own songs, and instead have them written by mercenaries, ought to be far more disreputable. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/70 "2015-02-10T03:25:42Z")
> [@Lemmytheseal2](#): > > It’s not that exactly. It’s more that people who don’t write their own songs, and instead have them written by mercenaries, ought to be far more disreputable. Hey, some people are just blessed with beautiful voices. That doesn’t require that they then also be great songwriters. Yes, such combinations do exist but to say that someone should be held in disrepute simply for being talented in one area alone is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Lemmytheseal2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/82dd89/32.png) [@Lemmytheseal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemmytheseal2)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/71 "2015-02-10T03:34:44Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Hey, some people are just blessed with beautiful voices. That doesn’t require that they then also be great songwriters. Yes, such combinations do exist but to say that someone should be held in disrepute simply for being talented in one area alone is ridiculous. That’s true, but my point is that it must be taken into account more often. Too many people just don’t care about authenticity. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/72 "2015-02-10T04:09:40Z")
So Elton John is mostly a no talent hack? 😉 I mean he can play instruments, but he doesn’t write his songs. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/73 "2015-02-10T04:10:02Z")
I’ve seen some who think he’s literally speaking out against “oppressive systems” like those behind the Grammys and that the media is just stereotyping him as an “angry black man” just because he’s speaking out (not against Beck himself) and belittling his protest as a “celebrity feud.” Just goes to show how perspectives differ. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/74 "2015-02-10T04:21:33Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > So Elton John is mostly a no talent hack? 😉 > > I mean he can play instruments, but he doesn’t write his songs. It’s kind of revealing that you equate “songwriter” with “lyricist”. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/75 "2015-02-10T04:33:20Z")
Professional songwriters can be employed to write either the lyrics or music or present fully done songs to A&R. So I should have said, John doesn’t write his lyrics, but that doesn’t change the charge of in authenticity, does it? ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/76 "2015-02-10T04:40:20Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I’ve seen some who think he’s literally speaking out against “oppressive systems” like those behind the Grammys and that the media is just stereotyping him as an “angry black man” just because he’s speaking out (not against Beck himself) and belittling his protest as a “celebrity feud.” > > Just goes to show how perspectives differ. His beef is pretty much what ISiddiqui said: > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > …those Grammys are in the specific categories of “Best Rap Album” or “Best R&B Song”, in essence they are ghettoized into their own awards… Yes, they win a lot of awards, but they’re mostly confined to the ‘black’ awards. Don’t know if the statistics back that up or not, but his antics are about something more than just his ego. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/77 "2015-02-10T04:45:32Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Professional songwriters can be employed to write either the lyrics or music or present fully done songs to A&R. So I should have said, John doesn’t write his lyrics, but that doesn’t change the charge of in authenticity, does it? I do agree that you can be a legitimate performer by interpreting the work of others. The question really is, how integral is your performance to the overall piece? Can you be replaced with another comparable starlet and have the same result? Someone like Beck cannot be separated from his work, and the same is true for Elton John, even though he’s not a lyricist. Beyonce could be argued for either way. Boy Band #3829? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/78 "2015-02-10T04:52:50Z")
> [@Lobot](#): > > I do agree that you can be a legitimate performer by interpreting the work of others. The question really is, how integral is your performance to the overall piece? Can you be replaced with another comparable starlet and have the same result? > > Someone like Beck cannot be separated from his work, and the same is true for Elton John, even though he’s not a lyricist. Beyonce could be argued for either way. Boy Band #3829? Not so much. I guess I just don’t see how folks think that Beyonce can be replaced with any ‘comparable starlet’. There is a reason that she is as famous and popular as she is, and that someone who can sing just as good, like Rihanna, hasn’t reached her rarefied heights. I also think that all the laud her album received for being different than any other major R&B album out there was under the direct influence of the artist herself. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/79 "2015-02-10T05:02:52Z")
Next time he charges the stage when he is not specifically invited up there, he should be arrested, dragged away in handcuffed, and charged with trespassing, disorderly conduct, and anything else that may be appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Lemmytheseal2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/82dd89/32.png) [@Lemmytheseal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemmytheseal2)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209/80 "2015-02-10T05:06:28Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > So Elton John is mostly a no talent hack? 😉 > > I mean he can play instruments, but he doesn’t write his songs. Not so. He composes a great deal of music, if not many or any lyrics. I should mention that I once read that musicians can follow either the Elton John path (start off challenging, but then go wholeheartedly into making pop product) or the Bob Dylan path (never go “pop”, always follow your own muse). Does anybody gain coolness points by being an Elton John fan? Now, when somebody appreciates Nick Drake, that’s a different story! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-storms-stage-at-grammys-upset-that-beck-beat-beyonce-for-album-of-the-year/712209.md?page=5)