# Karate student stomps on man's head, his teacher posts the video on Youtube 25 years later **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 22, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260 "2009-08-22T00:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/21 "2009-08-22T03:08:16Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Holy shit. what a bunch of cocks. My guess is that he met one of those guys talking about his 3rd degree whatever, given to him by Jesus, and they thought they’d teach him a lesson. Even so, it doesn’t explain the visciousness of the other guy, or the degree to which the other guys don’t give a shit. I’d love for these guys to get their due. Well it was just dick until he started to curb stomp him in the corner. It’s one thing to rough someone up, a dick move, but ok whatever he came into YOUR Dojo. But the curb stomping is just fucking excessive and has no excuse. This whole thing makes me feel dirty. My reaction to stuff like this is to giggle. I was horrified at first, but then after that passes I get giggly, and I don’t really like the feeling of mirth in this situation, but what are you gonna do? It’s either laugh, rage or cry really. I feel very sorry for that dude, he clearly was not right. I simply cannot believe how callous those people were. He didn’t want to fight them, he just wanted to show them his Kung Fu Kata. WTF? This is one of the reasons I never took Karate, I always assumed that Karate dojos were filled with douchebags like that. Maybe not all Karate Dojos are like that, but damn if that doesn’t fulfill a long held stereotype for me. It makes me sick how he keeps referencing the Marine Corps as though beating up a retard who isn’t all there is some sort of thing that Marines were trained to do. Semper Fi bitches. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/22 "2009-08-22T03:10:23Z")
All Karate dojos are absolutely NOT like that, and you should not be deterred from taking up martial arts because of this video. If anything, the thread on Bullshido is proof that the martial arts community is serious about its integrity. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/23 "2009-08-22T03:12:38Z")
> [@Henrichek](#): > > I read the text just now, and it says that the police pulled him out of the dumpster behind the dojo. It seems strange that nothing would follow after that. Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown. Or in this case Virginia. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/24 "2009-08-22T03:15:15Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > All Karate dojos are absolutely NOT like that, and you should not be deterred from taking up martial arts because of this video. If anything, the thread on Bullshido is proof that the martial arts community is serious about its integrity. I just said Karate. I have studied Tae Kwan Do, Kung Fu, Capoeira and Jujitsu. (Yes I know I am a bit of a dilettante) Currently I study Jujitsu but not with a terrible amount of discipline. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/25 "2009-08-22T03:17:52Z")
As most of you know, I am a martial artist. I run a school. I’d like to think that in the 25 years since that video was made, martial arts as a whole has progressed past the level of thuggery shown in it. But sadly, I can’t. There are people running around with black belts on who have no concept of honor, integrity, discipline or self-control, and they piss in the pool for those of us who are trying to make a living and teach martial arts to the best of our ability. And there are people who will see that video and think that all martial arts schools are like that. The pool hasn’t just been pissed in with that video, someone took a dump in it. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/26 "2009-08-22T03:18:40Z")
I loved Jujitsu! At my (low) level my understanding of it was that you were placing your opponent in a position where YOU would not hurt him, but if he continued doing what he was doing he would hurt himself. It appealed to my passive-aggressive nature. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/27 "2009-08-22T03:24:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > As most of you know, I am a martial artist. I run a school. > > I’d like to think that in the 25 years since that video was made, martial arts as a whole has progressed past the level of thuggery shown in it. But sadly, I can’t. There are people running around with black belts on who have no concept of honor, integrity, discipline or self-control, and they piss in the pool for those of us who are trying to make a living and teach martial arts to the best of our ability. > > And there are people who will see that video and think that all martial arts schools are like that. The pool hasn’t just been pissed in with that video, someone took a dump in it. The difference is that now there is a huge community of martial artists who are all connected by the internet, and when something like this happens, it can be assured that those who do take the art seriously and have moral integrity will do the right thing and tell everybody about it. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_from\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Man\_from\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_from_Mars)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/28 "2009-08-22T03:34:19Z")
I watched the video again with the sound turned all the way up. It turns out that the victim wasn’t paired off against the thug in a sparring match but he was supposed to show these karate guys his own skills. When he has his hand out, he’s asking the thug to stand straight and the latter says, “like this?” and kicks the victim. The victim responds with his own moves and warns, “Don’t do that!” Later he says, “I’m not a fighter.” I’m not knowledgeable of martial arts but I do remember hearing that karate is a defensive art but in this video the black belt is the aggressor and the victim is using his skills to defend against the thug. Maybe these points have been mentioned earlier and I missed it, but it makes the whole episode all the more evil and points very much to the idea that these criminals brought the poor guy there to kill him. They’re a disgrace to the martial art form, to the Marines, and to humanity in general. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/29 "2009-08-22T03:50:14Z")
> [@Tony](#): > > I watched the video again with the sound turned all the way up. It turns out that the victim wasn’t paired off against the thug in a sparring match but he was supposed to show these karate guys his own skills. When he has his hand out, he’s asking the thug to stand straight and the latter says, “like this?” and kicks the victim. The victim responds with his own moves and warns, “Don’t do that!” Later he says, “I’m not a fighter.” I’m not knowledgeable of martial arts but I do remember hearing that karate is a defensive art but in this video the black belt is the aggressor and the victim is using his skills to defend against the thug. > > Maybe these points have been mentioned earlier and I missed it, but it makes the whole episode all the more evil and points very much to the idea that these criminals brought the poor guy there to kill him. They’re a disgrace to the martial art form, to the Marines, and to humanity in general. Later on in the video he is trying to congratulate the guy on being a better fighter and that he’d like to stop now. That’s before the other guy backs him into the corner and curb stomps him. ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/30 "2009-08-22T04:20:00Z")
Homeboy was telling fatass that he didn’t want to really fight but that he wanted to share what he was taught. He should have had a clue when comments where made to the effect that “Jesus was your teacher,hehehe…” ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/31 "2009-08-22T04:26:20Z")
> [@Claude\_Remains](#): > > Homeboy was telling fatass that he didn’t want to really fight but that he wanted to share what he was taught. He should have had a clue when comments where made to the effect that “Jesus was your teacher,hehehe…” Ummm…retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/32 "2009-08-22T04:29:29Z")
Anyone else read the title as ‘ **Karaoke** student’ upon scanning? ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/33 "2009-08-22T04:38:16Z")
“Everybody was kung-fu fighting” was heard on the street outside. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/34 "2009-08-22T04:51:38Z")
> [@Claude\_Remains](#): > > “Everybody was kung-fu fighting” was heard on the street outside. I’m offended not by your lack of taste, but at your lack of comedy. Was that supposed to be an attempt at a joke? > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, _that_ wasn’t very honourable. Now THAT’S funny! ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/35 "2009-08-22T05:08:25Z")
How about this. A Zen Monk walks into a pizza place and says “Make me one with everything” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/36 "2009-08-22T05:17:28Z")
When he asked for his change, the pizza guy said ‘Change comes from within.’ ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/37 "2009-08-22T06:59:04Z")
I just did a google news search, and there’s now a story on a news site: [http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=10973483](http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=10973483) > [@](#): > > Chief Mestas says his department is assisting in the investigation of a possible crime committed 25 years ago in the state of Virginia . . . Mestas says he is working with local, state, federal and military investigators on the case. The video known on the internet as the “Jesus taught me” clip captures the fight between a black-belt karate student and a mentally challenged man. > > Investigators say although Blythe is not seen personally hurting the victim in the video, he could still face legal troubles. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/38 "2009-08-22T07:27:39Z")
> [@Talon\_Karrde](#): > > I just did a google news search, and there’s now a story on a news site: [http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=10973483](http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=10973483) I hope they nail them both seriously. That was straight up murder if that guy died. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/39 "2009-08-22T08:06:36Z")
What is this about a “mentally-challenged man?” There’s nothing about that man that seems mentally-challenged. Eccentric, yes. Possibly delusional, in a clinical sense - yes. But that’s not really the same as being “mentally challenged” any more than Jeff Rense is mentally challenged. He seemed like a run-of-the-mill crackpot, not someone who was severely lacking in intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260/40 "2009-08-22T08:16:39Z")
Well I’ve been reading the thread linked to in the OP, and apparently the instructor, who uploaded the video, said in the video’s description that the victim is currently in a mental institute. The video in the link is shorter than the full one. After the guy gets stomped he is still breathing. They dragged him out back and threw him in the dumpster for the police to pick up. I don’t know much about the law, but to me that seems like evidence that they at the very least were willing to let him die. BTW, I hope they also nail the police officers from that time in that town, because they apparently didn’t investigate what happened to the victim because they were friends with the instructor. I don’t have time now, but maybe sometime tomorrow I’ll try to summarize the thread in the OP for those who don’t have time to read it all. If someone else wants to do it they’re welcome to because I don’t know when/if I’ll get to it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karate-student-stomps-on-mans-head-his-teacher-posts-the-video-on-youtube-25-years-later/507260.md?page=3)