# Karen Hughs is a fucking idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611 "2005-10-03T17:31:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/21 "2005-10-04T14:34:45Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > _Commie?_ Ahead of their time. They would have all been commies if Marx and Engels had bothered to invent it yet. Well, except Hamilton, he was definately an Adam Smith capitalist. And John Adams - pretty conservative. Washington really never struck me as a commie. Well, maybe they weren’t commies, but they did leave God out of the constitution, that’s something, isn’t it. (Franklin, I always thought Franklin would have made a great hippie on a commune somewhere). ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/22 "2005-10-04T15:17:42Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > (Franklin, I always thought Franklin would have made a great hippie on a commune somewhere). Well, he was definitely all for free love. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/23 "2005-10-04T22:12:04Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > “our constitution cites ‘one nation under God’.” > > Uh, no it doesn’t. Those godless commie bastard founding fathers managed to write the entire frickin’ document without once referring to God or even “our Creator”. No wonder we have been cursed by having George W. Bush as president. Is this true? Was the “ONUG” added to the pledge during the Mccarthy era? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/24 "2005-10-04T22:50:12Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Is this true? > > Was the “ONUG” added to the pledge during the Mccarthy era? It was added to the pledge by an act of Congress in the 50s, which is largely regarded as the McCarthy era, or the height of the cold war. But it was also used by Lincoln in the Gettysburg address and so kind of fits the “indivisible” part, if you want to tie in to some historically significant event. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/25 "2005-10-04T22:51:20Z")
Oops. That was only the “UG” part. THe “ON” was already there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/26 "2005-10-05T00:49:31Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Oops. That was only the “UG” part. THe “ON” was already there. 🙂 Thanks. And the text of the constitution doesn’t contain the word God or our creator? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/27 "2005-10-05T00:59:47Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > And the text of the constitution doesn’t contain the word God or our creator? [Nope](http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html). Nor do any of the [Amendments](http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/28 "2005-10-05T01:06:55Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Thanks. > > And the text of the constitution doesn’t contain the word God or our creator? No. The DoI\* does, and many people confuse the two. One would hope that someone like Hughs would know the difference. \*the famous “endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights…” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/29 "2005-10-05T01:43:01Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > No. The DoI\* does, and many people confuse the two. One would hope that someone like Hughs would know the difference. > > \*the famous “endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights…” DOI? ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/30 "2005-10-05T01:45:20Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > DOI? Declaration of Independence. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/31 "2005-10-05T02:16:45Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > DOI? The hint didn’t help…? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/32 "2005-10-05T02:24:07Z")
Joan Chittister had a lot to say, and it is well written. Not everyone wants to be us. They don’t need to be. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/33 "2005-10-05T04:50:01Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > The hint didn’t help…? No, which means I need to do some serious studying. I’m taking a US society class, and we covered the “DOI” in detail last week. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/34 "2005-10-05T05:29:53Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > No, which means I need to do some serious studying. I’m taking a US society class, and we covered the “DOI” in detail last week. 😛 Are you a US citizen? If not, then I’m making assumptions I shouldn’t make. If you’re not from the US, there’s no reason to expect you’d know about that phrase in the DoI. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/35 "2005-10-05T16:58:00Z")
> [@Long Time First Time](#): > > I have no doubt that in her eyes, being a mom is the strongest bona fide possible. It suggests one has an intuitive grasp of what’s good or bad without things getting muddied up by a bunch of book learnin. Cept for Cindy Sheehan, of course. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/36 "2005-10-05T19:37:24Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Cept for Cindy Sheehan, of course. 🙂 And [Pat Tillman’s parents](http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/25/MNGD7ETMNM1.DTL) probably wouldn’t be welcomed, either. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/37 "2005-10-05T20:39:59Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Are you a US citizen? If not, then I’m making assumptions I shouldn’t make. If you’re not from the US, there’s no reason to expect you’d know about that phrase in the DoI. Born and bred in Brooklyn NY, although some people wouldn’t consider me a US citizen in that case. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/38 "2005-10-06T00:28:54Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Born and bred in Brooklyn NY, although some people wouldn’t consider me a US citizen in that case. 😃 Of course, you’re a US citizen! That kind of “Call Security” US citizen. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611/39 "2005-10-06T21:56:21Z")
The Arab News online newspaper has an amusing commentary about Karen Hughes trip to the Middle East [here](http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=71183&d=5&m=10&y=2005). snippet: In Egypt, asked a question about the Muslim Brotherhood, she turned quizzically to an aide to help her out, since she presumably had not heard of the group, which has been active and vocal in Egyptian politics since the 1920s. Charged with burnishing the US image in the Muslim world, she only succeeded in projecting a syrupy sweet demeanor, using hokey lines like “I am a mom and I love kids,” or banal observations, about what goals Palestinians should pursue, like “they should have children and families.” In Turkey, she gushed: “I love all kids, and I understand that is something I have in common with the Turkish people — that they love children.” In Cairo, when she asked a group of college students how many of them had voted in the recent presidential election, only one hand shot up. The next day, she worked into her standard speech a heartwarming story about meeting someone who had participated in the first multiparty election in Egypt’s history. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karen-hughs-is-a-fucking-idiot/324611.md?page=1)