# Karl Rove - CIA leaker? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 3, 2005, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896 "2005-07-03T04:01:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/181 "2005-07-16T04:45:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, he’s got you there, **Gigo**. You said you didn’t think Rove would suffer much, and that means you think Rove isn’t guilty! It could be that he believes Rove will be humanely guillotined. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/182 "2005-07-16T04:53:17Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Today’s ABC News throws yet another wrinkle into the mix. According to the report, after the conversation with Novak, Rove contacted the appropriate security people and reported it to them, including the contents of the conversation. If so, that should clear him. In that case, the leaker is someone else. If true, it takes all the wind out of my sails, as I sort of like being a Rove hater. Bilmon has a few interesting observations about this further leaked Rove-friendly bit of information. [http://billmon.org/archives/002015.html](http://billmon.org/archives/002015.html) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/183 "2005-07-16T04:55:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, he’s got you there, **Gigo**. You said you didn’t think Rove would suffer much, and that means you think Rove isn’t guilty! Nah, just pragmatic, I think his past does follow him, and once again: someone in this administration is guilty as hell, the 8 ball shows Rove right now, but even if he gets away, it is extremely unlikely that Rove does not know who the leakers are. As I said before: we have an administration of cowards because (seeing the future pragmatically) even if they get punished by this, they will have a good future with the powerful that disregard failings like this one. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/184 "2005-07-16T05:12:14Z")
More murk. > **[State Dept. Memo Gets Scrutiny in Leak Inquiry on C.I.A. Officer (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/16/politics/state-dept-memo-gets-scrutiny-in-leak-inquiry-on-cia-officer.html)** > > Prosecutors in the C.I.A. leak case have shown intense interest in a 2003 State Department memorandum that explained how a former diplomat came to be dispatched on an intelligence-gathering mission and the role of his wife, a C.I.A. officer, in the... > [@](#): > > …Investigators in the case have been trying to learn whether officials at the White House and elsewhere in the administration learned of the C.I.A. officer’s identity from the memorandum. They are seeking to determine if any officials then passed the name along to journalists and if officials were truthful in testifying about whether they had read the memo… ---
**Author:** ![jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7bcc69/32.png) [@jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfarrell_bellind.com)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/185 "2005-07-16T05:25:09Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Can we hang him anyway just for being Karl Rove? Pleeeeeease? Once again the dem/lib/clueless are grasping at straws. One of your lib mouthpieces is locked up due to another plan gone wrong. Rove will never go down, for anything. P.S. As long as he’s involved you’ll just have to watch and learn (try harder). ---
**Author:** ![jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7bcc69/32.png) [@jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfarrell_bellind.com)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/186 "2005-07-16T05:29:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > More murk. > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/16/politics/16memo.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5094&en=6d88216f8e1a7671&hp&ex=1121572800&partner=homepage](http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/16/politics/16memo.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5094&en=6d88216f8e1a7671&hp&ex=1121572800&partner=homepage) Keep looking for another pipe dream. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/187 "2005-07-16T05:32:36Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > Once again the dem/lib/clueless are grasping at straws. One of your lib mouthpieces is locked up due to another plan gone wrong. Rove will never go down, for anything. P.S. As long as he’s involved you’ll just have to watch and learn (try harder). Wait…you CANNOT be calling Judith Miller a lib mouthpiece! It defies any attempt at rational understanding. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/188 "2005-07-16T05:37:09Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > …Rove will never go down, for anything… He gets locked up with Bubba, he will. (Cue music from _Deliverance_…) ---
**Author:** ![jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7bcc69/32.png) [@jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfarrell_bellind.com)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/189 "2005-07-16T05:39:30Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Wait…you CANNOT be calling Judith Miller a lib mouthpiece! It defies any attempt at rational understanding. I guess that was a heat of the moment tag. Novak should be the one getting the heat. For them to pin this on Rove is a laugh. Everyone in the Beltline knows what is really happening here. Her husband is changing his story by the minute. The dems are trying to bring down their greatest nemesis and it’s not going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/190 "2005-07-16T05:39:56Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > One of your lib mouthpieces is locked up due to another plan gone wrong. Who is the lib mouthpiece that you are referring to? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/191 "2005-07-16T05:44:25Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > … The dems are trying to bring down their greatest nemesis and it’s not going to happen. Latest poll on “Is Bush honest?” running 56-42 against. Dems didn’t do shit. He fucked himself. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/192 "2005-07-16T05:45:07Z")
[Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement: Briefing Booklet](http://www.fas.org/sgp/isoo/sf312.html) > [@](#): > > Question 19: If information that a signer of the SF 312 knows to have been classified appears in a public source, for example, in a newspaper article, may the signer assume that the information has been declassified and disseminate it elsewhere? > > Answer: No. Information remains classified until it has been officially declassified. Its disclosure in a public source does not declassify the information. Of course, merely quoting the public source in the abstract is not a second unauthorized disclosure. However, **before disseminating the information elsewhere or confirming the accuracy of what appears in the public source, the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified. If it has not, further dissemination of the information or confirmation of its accuracy is also an unauthorized disclosure.** ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/193 "2005-07-16T05:45:55Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > Once again the dem/lib/clueless are grasping at straws. One of your lib mouthpieces is locked up due to another plan gone wrong. Rove will never go down, for anything. P.S. As long as he’s involved you’ll just have to watch and learn (try harder). Now calling Judith Miller a lib mouthpiece is really grasping at straws, I guess **jfarrell@bellind. com** ’s sources forgot to mention what the (real) liberal media was typically saying about her: > [@Daily Kos](#): > > Judith Miller has been sent to jail for refusing to comply with a court order that she testify before the Plame grand jury. While I have discussed the legal aspects in depth here, I think another aspect is important - Judith Miller is doing the right thing in not revealing her source. Miller has been a terrible journalist for the past four years. Her work on Iraq and WMD was negligent bordering on criminal. [NOTE: My use of “criminal” is hyperbole. Obviously she broke no laws with her coverage, just her reputation as a journalist. ---
**Author:** ![jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7bcc69/32.png) [@jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfarrell_bellind.com)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/194 "2005-07-16T05:49:31Z")
> [@I Love Me](#): > > Who is the lib mouthpiece that you are referring to? As I said before I should not have labeled her a “lib mouthpiece”. She is just a bad reporter who has never had verifiable sources. This goes back many years and the nyt should be held accountable for going along with her unsubstantiated tales. The dems/libs better wake up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/195 "2005-07-16T05:52:32Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > I guess that was a heat of the moment tag. Novak should be the one getting the heat. For them to pin this on Rove is a laugh. Everyone in the Beltline knows what is really happening here. Her husband is changing his story by the minute. Nope, read the thread before you show more ignorance. > [@](#): > > The dems are trying to bring down their greatest nemesis and it’s not going to happen. Now you are silly, I do see that Rove is damaged goods already. In the way to deny his involvement with this, he has already shown himself to be a liar, an indictment would be welcomed but I am happy to have more evidence that cowards, misleaders and liars are in this administration. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/196 "2005-07-16T05:54:02Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > As I said before I should not have labeled her a “lib mouthpiece”. > She is just a bad reporter who has never had verifiable sources. This goes back many years and the nyt should be held accountable for going along with her unsubstantiated tales. The dems/libs better wake up. You’re confusing me (please, easy on the “easily done” jokes, 'kay?). On the one hand, you’re defending the Administration and Rove. Which tells me you’ve been into the Kool-Aid. On the other hand, you’re calling Judith Miller, a woman who practically takes all necessary sustenance from the fecal matter this White House releases under the guise of press communication, a bad reporter with unverifiable sources. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/197 "2005-07-16T05:58:28Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > As I said before I should not have labeled her a “lib mouthpiece”. > She is just a bad reporter who has never had verifiable sources. This goes back many years and the nyt should be held accountable for going along with her unsubstantiated tales. The dems/libs better wake up. Do you realize those tales were also used by the administration to justify going to war in Iraq? Funny thing that Miller was using those White House sources THEN for her reports. The dems were really sleep, the liberals were not. ---
**Author:** ![jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7bcc69/32.png) [@jfarrell\_bellind.com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfarrell_bellind.com)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/198 "2005-07-16T05:58:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, read the thread before you show more ignorance. > Now you are silly, I do see that Rove is damaged goods already. In the way to deny his involvement with this, he has already shown himself to be a liar, an indictment would be welcomed but I am happy to have more evidence that cowards, misleaders and liars are in this administration. I’m getting bored. But thanks for the laugh. It’s not going to happen. It’s not like he lied to a… Oh you know the rest of this statement, right??? WJC? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/199 "2005-07-16T06:07:21Z")
> [@jfarrell@bellind.com](#): > > I’m getting bored. But thanks for the laugh. It’s not going to happen. [http://www.dailykos.com/](http://www.dailykos.com/) > [@](#): > > Setting all that aside, here’s where we’re at. We now know Karl Rove was one of the sources in Novak’s column. We know he talked to Novak on the 8th, two days after Wilson’s op-ed appeared that rocked the White House and caused them to admit, on the 7th, that the uranium claims the President cited in his case for war, were false. > > Nevertheless, for the last two years the White House claimed repeatedly that Karl Rove, by name, was not involved with the case. We know know that to be patently untrue. > > So the question remains. There remain only two possibilities: either the President of the United States knew about Rove’s involvement with the Plame case, and lied to the country, or Karl Rove lied to the President about his involvement. > > The President must respond to these events. This isn’t about the criminal investigation. This is about Karl Rove’s already known involvement – and the White House having lied about it for two years. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896/200 "2005-07-16T06:07:22Z")
I think its **Sam Stone** pulling our leg. You know, those wacky Canadians and their post-modernist irony… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-cia-leaker/310896.md?page=11)