# Karl Rove & other Republicans see a "whupping " in store for the Dems. I just don't see it **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 26, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638 "2010-06-26T23:12:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/41 "2010-06-28T22:31:46Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Pure opposition without regard or understanding for whether the policy you are opposing is facially awful is not a good political strategy. Sometimes, I fear, it might be a perfectly sound **electoral** strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/42 "2010-07-02T14:23:12Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > But around here people actually try to convince people of it. Pretty disgusting, really. > > Must be difference between using the calendar and using _the calendar_. > > -Joe Where is “here”? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/43 "2010-07-02T15:18:44Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > Where is “here”? Mississippi. Heard it the last 5 elections. It’s strange how I never hear that it’s Republican voting on Wednesday. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/44 "2010-07-05T01:55:55Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Mississippi. Heard it the last 5 elections. It’s strange how I never hear that it’s Republican voting on Wednesday. > > -Joe If it’s not “voting on Wednesday”, then it’s “felons can’t vote (in some states)”, or it’s “nobody foreclosed on can vote”. Election Day should be a national holiday. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/45 "2010-07-05T03:56:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, that ain’t no whuppin’. Divide the tossups by two and the Dems will have 53 Senate seats next January, within Rove’s framework. That counts as a wuppin by US media standards. The Democrats are facing harsh headwinds: in addition to the usual midterm losses they are a) simply defending a large majority in the Senate which is in itself difficult and b) are the incumbent party during a deep recession. Leading indicators are negative at the moment: unemployment might very well tip above the 10% mark before Nov. 3. I predict the the Dems will not lose the Senate in 2010. But they could very well lose the House. They could have prevented this a year ago by delivering a larger jobs package, but they chose not to. Ironically, it will be the Blue Dog democrats who pay the highest price for their foolhardiness and insufficient mastery of intermediate macroeconomics. > [@](#): > > Also – what do the Pubs have to offer this year, other than not being Dems? Irrelevant, a distraction. Swing voters are notoriously disengaged from party position papers and the Republican base is already energized. That the Republican platform is a hollow shell makes little difference. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/46 "2010-07-23T18:00:55Z")
> [@astro](#): > > In listening to Republicans on the radio [and in print](http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/06/26/chris-shelley-rove-sees-whipping-in-the-offing/) they all seem to think a huge beat down for the Democrats is coming on the next Congressional election cycle. Honestly, I just don’t see it. There are certainly a lot of people who don’t like Obama, but I’m not seeing there’s lots more now than there were when he took office. Well…I ‘see it". I don’t know if the republicans will win enough seats to override obama’s veto power,…but the demos will lose many positions. As far as veto-power; the republican victory may not need to be that sweeping. By the time the elections are through…the democrats left will suddenly be anti-obama. They are all political whores and will do what they can to survive. Obama has a lot of stimulus funding he hasn’t spent as of yet. Instead of spending it on the needs of the American people…he will try to use it as his own personal vote-getting slush fund. When he does…he will be shown to be the crooked Chicago thug that he really is. It will not help him or the dems. Obama is failing. How is that ‘hope and change’ going for ya’??? LOL! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/47 "2010-07-23T18:11:35Z")
Quite well, thanks, Mr. Palin. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/48 "2010-07-23T18:16:01Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > Obama has a lot of stimulus funding he hasn’t spent as of yet. That’s funny; I was just hearing how those funds are running low and there is no chance of additional stimulus passing, thanks to the GOP. > [@](#): > > Instead of spending it on the needs of the American people…he will try to use it as his own personal vote-getting slush fund. When he does…he will be shown to be the crooked Chicago thug that he really is. Okay, good luck with that prediction. Here in the south, though, I have no doubt the Republicans are going to pick up seats. I’m worried that my Democratic congressman will be voted out for a Republican, and resigned to the fact that our new Governer will be one also. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/49 "2010-07-23T19:06:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Well…I 'see it". I don’t know if the republicans will win enough seats to override obama’s veto power, If you don’t know that, then you’re woefully uninformed about the current political situation. There is literally no chance of the Republicans winning enough elections to be able to override vetoes. Not just a small chance, that would only come to pass through an unrealistically extreme sweeping change of voter sentiment, no chance. Even if the Republicans won every single Senate seat that’s currently up for election (which of course won’t happen), they’d still fall short. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/50 "2010-07-23T19:21:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If you don’t know that, then you’re woefully uninformed about the current political situation. There is literally no chance of the Republicans winning enough elections to be able to override vetoes. Not just a small chance, that would only come to pass through an unrealistically extreme sweeping change of voter sentiment, no chance. Even if the Republicans won every single Senate seat that’s currently up for election (which of course won’t happen), they’d still fall short. It was more of an admission than a hope. Of course…miracles can happen. Perhaps the sky will fall. The Republicans WILL win most of the races coming up. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/51 "2010-07-23T19:22:25Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Quite well, thanks, Mr. Palin. No problem Mr. Rahm. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/52 "2010-07-23T19:24:03Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > That’s funny; I was just hearing how those funds are running low and there is no chance of additional stimulus passing, thanks to the GOP. Okay, good luck with that prediction. > > Here in the south, though, I have no doubt the Republicans are going to pick up seats. I’m worried that my Democratic congressman will be voted out for a Republican, and resigned to the fact that our new Governer will be one also. I have read obama has only spent about half of the stimulus he gathered… ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/53 "2010-07-23T20:14:51Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > The Republicans WILL win most of the races coming up. OK, what the hell, I’ll bite. How many seats do you predict the Republicans will hold in the House after the election? How many in the Senate? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/54 "2010-07-23T20:39:58Z")
> [@](#): > > It was more of an admission than a hope. Of course…miracles can happen. Perhaps the sky will fall. That sounds to me like you’re wishing death on a whole bunch of senators. If you’re going to go that route, it’d be simpler to hope for the Republicans to just take the House and for those pieces of falling sky to hit Obama and Biden, putting a Republican in the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/55 "2010-07-23T23:40:57Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > I have read obama has only spent about half of the stimulus he gathered… Cite? (BTW, that’s something you’re going to be asked for a **lot** if you keep hanging out here.) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/56 "2010-07-24T21:45:19Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > > [@bullrun](#): > > > > The Republicans WILL win most of the races coming up. > > OK, what the hell, I’ll bite. > > How many seats do you predict the Republicans will hold in the House after the election? How many in the Senate? I’ll play. I think the Democrats lose 42 seats in the House, and 8 in the Senate. Subject to the caveat that it’s still very early to make real predictions. And if they lose more than 6 seats in the Senate, you can kiss the left-wing agenda bye bye, because the centrist Democrats will be much harder to corral, and there aren’t enough centrist Republicans that you could conceivably convince to join you in a supermajority for anything other than centrist/center-right policy. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/57 "2010-07-24T21:51:13Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’ll play. There’s always a first time. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/58 "2010-07-24T23:58:44Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@Frank](#): > > > > > [@bullrun](#): > > > > > > The Republicans WILL win most of the races coming up. > > > > OK, what the hell, I’ll bite. > > > > How many seats do you predict the Republicans will hold in the House after the election? How many in the Senate? > > I’ll play. I think the Democrats lose 42 seats in the House, and 8 in the Senate. Subject to the caveat that it’s still very early to make real predictions. > > And if they lose more than 6 seats in the Senate, you can kiss the left-wing agenda bye bye, because the centrist Democrats will be much harder to corral, and there aren’t enough centrist Republicans that you could conceivably convince to join you in a supermajority for anything other than centrist/center-right policy. It’s the centrists who seem to be in the most trouble though. You might end up with a smaller much more liberal Dem majority. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/59 "2010-07-25T00:16:26Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And if they lose more than 6 seats in the Senate, you can kiss the left-wing agenda bye bye . . . 😕 We’re still waiting for the chance to kiss it **hello.** ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638/60 "2010-07-25T00:34:30Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > And if they lose more than 6 seats in the Senate, you can kiss the left-wing agenda bye bye . . . > > 😕 We’re still waiting for the chance to kiss it **hello.** That’s for damned sure. Well, I’ve been waiting for my adult life, that’s for sure. I’m 29. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karl-rove-other-republicans-see-a-whupping-in-store-for-the-dems-i-just-dont-see-it/544638.md?page=4)