# Karzai Blames Vote Fraud on USA, Says Might Join Taliban? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 6, 2010, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093 "2010-04-06T00:00:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/1 "2010-04-06T00:00:55Z")
What are we seeing here? Surely Karzai realizes he only exists because the US and coalition forces prop him up? Or is he sensing that the the US is getting tired of the Afghan adventure…and might be getting ready to withdraw? Personally, I see Afghanistan as being in the same position as s. Vietnam in 1968-a failing war, public support eroding, and an Afghan population getting sick of our assistance. Is it time for Karzai to be packing his bags?☹ ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/2 "2010-04-06T01:02:21Z")
No, it is time for the US to be packing. That might change Karzai’s mind (if any). ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/3 "2010-04-06T01:08:54Z")
Or an unsigned package might be delivered to Karzai from the US Embassy, containing only a picture of [Ngo Dinh Diem](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem#Coup_and_assassination). Just as a little reminder, you know. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/4 "2010-04-06T04:03:32Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > What are we seeing here? Surely Karzai realizes he only exists because the US and coalition forces prop him up? > Or is he sensing that the the US is getting tired of the Afghan adventure..and might be getting ready to withdraw? > Personally, I see Afghanistan as being in the same position as s. Vietnam in 1968-a failing war, public support eroding, and an Afghan population getting sick of our assistance. > Is it time for Karzai to be packing his bags?☹ He could go to Switzerland and see the American Tax money that he moved there. He does appear to have a big stake in the Aghan drug trade. He may not want to leave that. ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/5 "2010-04-06T21:13:21Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > What are we seeing here? Surely Karzai realizes he only exists because the US and coalition forces prop him up? > Or is he sensing that the the US is getting tired of the Afghan adventure..and might be getting ready to withdraw? > Personally, I see Afghanistan as being in the same position as s. Vietnam in 1968-a failing war, public support eroding, and an Afghan population getting sick of our assistance. > Is it time for Karzai to be packing his bags?☹ I think it indicates he isn’t planning on packing his bags. He is distancing himself from the foreigners and building his nationalistic cred. He knows the US has no alternative to him as local leader, so there is no downside in sniping at the US. And it can’t hurt, might help with the local populace. People are getting ready for the US to be gone. The US goal has to be to leave enough structure and influence behind that international terrorists don’t rebuild there and launch attacks on the west. If that can be done, the US achieves it’s goals. And an ambitious goal it is-just look at Yemen. But it might happen. Bringing peace stability and democracy to countries that don’t want any of the three is hopeless and unnecessary. Iraq is doing OK without the US and will muddle along after the last US soldier leaves. ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/6 "2010-04-06T21:16:23Z")
> [@](#): > > A former U.N envoy to Afghanistan on Tuesday questioned the “mental stability” of Hamid Karzai and suggested the Afghan president may be using drugs. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36196464/ns/world\_news-south\_and\_central\_asia/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36196464/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/) ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/7 "2010-04-06T21:32:32Z")
[I agree with Jon Stewart](http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-5-2010/turncloak). You join the TB again, fine. Kabloowy. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/8 "2010-04-11T12:23:08Z")
Obama is giving bad signals. If I were Karzai, I’d read up on two Vietnamese brothers, name of Diem! I wonder which Afghan general is being groomed for the presidency? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/9 "2010-04-11T13:36:21Z")
It’s time for America to pack up it’s tents and come home. Leave them to it. They can’t afford it, they aren’t getting anywhere, there is no ‘winning’ to be had. Start bringing them home, pronto. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/10 "2010-04-11T14:43:31Z")
Future Headline; Karzai’s Helicopter Shot Down by “the Taliban” of course. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/11 "2010-04-12T06:10:50Z")
He has a house in Islamabad. Thats where he will retire to of course. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/12 "2010-04-12T07:06:43Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > He has a house in Islamabad. Thats where he will retire to of course. But first, he has an appointment in Samarra. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/13 "2010-04-12T14:04:20Z")
He could probably get the Saudi government to give him Idi Amin’s old house. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/14 "2010-04-12T15:40:09Z")
Karzai’s nuts if he thinks he can distance himself from the United States at this point. The Taliban and the ultra-nationalists are never going to accept him as a convert. His best chance is to stay on America’s good side and hope we’ll be able to prop him up. Or, worst case scenario, offer him a good place for exile. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-blames-vote-fraud-on-usa-says-might-join-taliban/535093/15 "2010-11-01T00:25:51Z")
Now we find that Karzai has been taking payoffs from Iran. I guess we goofed in choosing a leader/stooge we can trust! How is Obama going to sell his war (new beefed-up) offensive now? This is looking worse and worse.😕