# Karzai Officially President! What Will Obama Do? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066 "2009-11-02T17:09:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/61 "2009-11-27T16:22:41Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > … The USA has never had the slightest problem with the vile regimes it gets into bed with - often after turfing out perfectly palatable democratic governments. Without exception, they were unpalatable to US corporate interests and, evidently, to **Curtis**. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/62 "2009-11-27T16:28:58Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Well if it threatens American security the US is perfectly justifying to do whatever it fits short of war crimes. And you’ve just admitted you don’t give a crap about anyone else’s liberty or progress. You want hegemony and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/63 "2009-11-27T17:35:15Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > Still none of your goddam business until you start operating under a less hysterical definition. I assume you extend this right to the many nations whose ‘security’ is ‘threatened’ by the USA? > > As for the second part of your clause - that is simply self-serving nonsense. The USA has never had the slightest problem with the vile regimes it gets into bed with - often after turfing out perfectly palatable democratic governments. You mean democratic governments that often were in bed with communists or were communists all but in name and so on. > [@Marley23](#): > > And you’ve just admitted you don’t give a crap about anyone else’s liberty or progress. You want hegemony and that’s it. No if for example Cuba has Soviet nuclear missiles based on their territory that is a threat to the United States and they’re perfectly justified in getting those nukes removed. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/64 "2009-11-27T17:38:45Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > You mean democratic governments that often were in bed with communists or were communists all but in name and so on. > > No if for example Cuba has Soviet nuclear missiles based on their territory that is a threat to the United States and they’re perfectly justified in getting those nukes removed. Yet we can line their border with military bases, star wars and missile launch camps. Do they have the right to remove those? Would Russia be justified in attacking us? How about China? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/65 "2009-11-27T17:41:45Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > No if for example Cuba has Soviet nuclear missiles based on their territory that is a threat to the United States and they’re perfectly justified in getting those nukes removed. I agree. Now how does that justify overthrowing democratic governments? A left leaning government in Latin America is not the same thing as a nuclear weapon near Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/66 "2009-11-27T17:48:05Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I agree. Now how does that justify overthrowing democratic governments? A left leaning government in Latin America is not the same thing as a nuclear weapon near Florida. They could transform into Soviet puppets. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/67 "2009-11-27T18:00:36Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > They could transform into Soviet puppets. The U.S. being as wonderful as it is, perhaps diplomatic intervention could have been attempted rather than a proxy war. But again, you’re demonstrating that your real position is “we support democracy as long as it doesn’t get in our war or cost us anything.” ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/68 "2009-11-27T22:02:19Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The U.S. being as wonderful as it is, perhaps diplomatic intervention could have been attempted rather than a proxy war. But again, you’re demonstrating that your real position is “we support democracy as long as it doesn’t get in our war or cost us anything.” And if diplomatic intervention didn’t work…? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066/69 "2009-11-27T22:10:01Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > And if diplomatic intervention didn’t work…? There still wouldn’t be cause for an invasion. But if you are supporting invasions of democratically elected leftists because they might have become aligned with the Soviet Union at some future date, it shows how committed to democracy you are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/karzai-officially-president-what-will-obama-do/516066.md?page=3)