# Kate Middleton is pregnant **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 3, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859 "2012-12-03T16:15:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/101 "2012-12-04T09:12:23Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > He’d be James _VIII_, not James III. The Scottish ordinal takes precedence over the English one if it’s higher. Where do you get this from? ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/102 "2012-12-04T09:15:44Z")
> [@Sarabellum1976](#): > > I’d never before heard that Prince Charles has stated that he’ll be George VII when he takes the throne. That’s interesting. (I suppose it makes sense, but really, why’d they name him Charles in the first place if it was such a bad regnant name?) Prince Charles’ office has flat out denied this. I don’t know why it keeps cropping up. There’s nothing wrong with King Charles. If we stopped naming King’s after bad ones, we would have run out of names by now. Charles II may have been a bit randy, but as Bad Monarchs go, he’s way down the list. George IV was a car crash. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/103 "2012-12-04T09:24:01Z")
There is no rule on which ordinal gets used. It was [suggested in the 50s](http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1953/apr/15/royal-style-and-title) that it would be a good idea to use the higher one, but it’s not a matter of law. (Churchill said that if “a King James came to the throne he might well be designated by the numeral appropriate to the Scottish succession.” But he seems pretty annoyed by the whole issue in that exchange, so he was probably just searching for the answer most likely to stifle the controversy in Scotland over Elizabeth **II**.) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/104 "2012-12-04T09:42:41Z")
They’re speculating it might be **twins**. [Link.](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242389/Kate-Middleton-pregnant-Hyperemesis-gravidarum--extreme-morning-sickness-hits-1-50-months.html) > [@](#): > > Experts revealed last night that there is a ‘tiny excess’ of women who give birth to twins after enduring the condition. > > An enlarged placenta - which is a known risk factor for morning sickness - is more common in multiple pregnancies, such as twins or triplets, or during a molar pregnancy, where the fertilisation of the egg goes wrong and leads to an abnormal growth of cells inside the womb. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/105 "2012-12-04T09:46:21Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They’re speculating it might be **twins**. > [Link.](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242389/Kate-Middleton-pregnant-Hyperemesis-gravidarum--extreme-morning-sickness-hits-1-50-months.html) If it’s boy-girl twins, and she has a c-section: would the doc be under orders to take out the boy first? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/106 "2012-12-04T09:47:08Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They’re speculating it might be **twins**. Well, if that’s not a recipe for a dynastic war, I don’t know what is! ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/107 "2012-12-04T09:51:03Z")
Not James - Edward already has a son called James. The boy should be Steve or Barry. The girl should be Donna or Gemma. Completely buck all the current naming trends. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/108 "2012-12-04T09:53:30Z")
Will this news add impetus to the talk / wish to have the throne skip a generation and pass directly to Wills? ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/109 "2012-12-04T09:56:50Z")
WOW - Now there’s speculation by a local radio station that maybe the baby was conceived here (“here” being Singapore) Can anyone shed light on what date the baby would have been conceived? ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/110 "2012-12-04T10:05:23Z")
No due date has been announced yet, so conception date is just speculation. If she’s less than 12 weeks along, as suspected, then the deed could have been done late Sept/early Oct. When was she in Singapore? ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/111 "2012-12-04T10:06:51Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > If it’s boy-girl twins, and she has a c-section: would the doc be under orders to take out the boy first? 😃 Is there an obvious order the surgeon should remove twins during a c-section? Because if there isn’t, and it’s purely the surgeon’s choice, he could effectively be selecting the next monarch (assuming it’s same-sex twins). Awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/112 "2012-12-04T10:14:44Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Will this news add impetus to the talk / wish to have the throne skip a generation and pass directly to Wills? It might cause vapid speculation, but that’s all it would be. Really, the time for that has passed anyways. The Queen is 86, so it’s unwise at this point to make the arrangements for her death subject to a years-long process of international constitutional exploration. ---
**Author:** ![RealOmegaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/958977/32.png) [@RealOmegaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealOmegaMan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/113 "2012-12-04T10:52:15Z")
Slightly off topic 😉 If its a girl and they call her Elizabeth. Then at least Scotland would finally get a Queen Elizabeth the 2nd unlike the current monarch. Annoys me when i see all this QE2 nonsense in Scotland she is QE1 to us 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/114 "2012-12-04T11:00:05Z")
> [@RobDog](#): > > Is there an obvious order the surgeon should remove twins during a c-section? > > Because if there isn’t, and it’s purely the surgeon’s choice, he could effectively be selecting the next monarch (assuming it’s same-sex twins). > > Awesome! If you’ll pardon the phrasing, I guess it’s just whichever is on top? (slightly concerned by your username, and the fact you’re in the UK - I didn’t used to be married to you, did I?) 😛 > [@RealOmegaMan](#): > > Slightly off topic 😉 > > If its a girl and they call her Elizabeth. Then at least Scotland would finally get a Queen Elizabeth the 2nd unlike the current monarch. > > Annoys me when i see all this QE2 nonsense in Scotland she is QE1 to us 😉 On topic, and completely agree. She’s the first QE of the United Kingdom, regardless of what the Sassenachs say. ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/115 "2012-12-04T11:02:57Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > ..(slightly concerned by your username, and the fact you’re in the UK - I didn’t used to be married to you, did I?) 😛 > . Pretty sure not. But [you’re my wife now](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2F4ZWTjwTU). ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/116 "2012-12-04T11:04:19Z")
> [@RealOmegaMan](#): > > Slightly off topic 😉 > > If its a girl and they call her Elizabeth. Then at least Scotland would finally get a Queen Elizabeth the 2nd unlike the current monarch. > > Annoys me when i see all this QE2 nonsense in Scotland she is QE1 to us 😉 Vote for independence and you can call her what you like. I presume you won’t be happy with William V either? ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/117 "2012-12-04T11:46:11Z")
> [@RealOmegaMan](#): > > Slightly off topic 😉 > > If its a girl and they call her Elizabeth. Then at least Scotland would finally get a Queen Elizabeth the 2nd unlike the current monarch. > > Annoys me when i see all this QE2 nonsense in Scotland she is QE1 to us 😉 But that cuts both ways. As others have pointed out, the idea was aired in the 1950s - in the wake of the decision by the Court of Session that she could called herself whatever she liked - that the higher numbering, whether Scottish or English, will be used. Which, given that the numbers don’t have some sort of mystical significance and are merely a convenient way of differentiating monarchs with the same name, actually makes a lot of practical sense. It’s also how several other European monarchies have dealt with the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/118 "2012-12-04T11:50:59Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > There is no rule on which ordinal gets used. It was [suggested in the 50s](http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1953/apr/15/royal-style-and-title) that it would be a good idea to use the higher one, but it’s not a matter of law. I was amused by this exchange: > [@](#): > > **Mr. Gower:** Can the Prime Minister state what course will be followed if a future British monarch should bear the name Llewellyn? > > **The Prime Minister:** I hope I may ask for long notice of that question. Very droll. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/119 "2012-12-04T13:01:55Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > No due date has been announced yet, so conception date is just speculation. > If she’s less than 12 weeks along, as suspected, then the deed could have been done late Sept/early Oct. > > When was she in Singapore? 11 and 12 sept. would they announce officially where they think conception was do u think? ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859/120 "2012-12-04T13:14:10Z")
> [@RobDog](#): > > Pretty sure not. But [you’re my wife now](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2F4ZWTjwTU). Well played 🙂 > [@bengangmo](#): > > 11 and 12 sept. would they announce officially where they think conception was do u think? Ah, according to the BBC pregnancy [calendar](http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/tools/pregnancy_calendar/week.shtml?due=1371643703311&week=11), to be 11 weeks pregnant, the deed would have been done around the 26th September, so it’s not looking likely, I’m afraid. And no, that’s not their style to announce such personal information (although I wouldn’t put it past the UK tabloids to hack someone’s voicemail to get the gory details and publish them). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kate-middleton-is-pregnant/642859.md?page=7)