# Katherine Harris, continued

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [August 2, 2002, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094 "2002-08-02T22:51:15Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 9\
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**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/21 "2002-08-06T03:08:06Z")

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**BKB**

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> Congressman Dan Miller said in 1992 he’d only serve 5 terms (I’m not even sure if Harris was even in public office then). Now he’s abiding by that,

I thought he couldn’t run again because of term limits. No?

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**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/22 "2002-08-06T03:28:19Z")

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> \*Originally posted by blessedwolf \*  
> \*\*I was just speaking with Ion Sancho (FL Supervisor of Elections) about this…I’ve rarely seen someone so animated.  
> Essentially, the law is that when someone is running for Congress, they may not hold any other job. When she announced her candidacy, she fucked up, big-time. But it won’t hamper her ability to run for Congress.
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> [sub] And, according to Sancho, Gore won Florida. By around 850 votes. Right from the horse’s mouth, folks![/sub] \*\*

He’s lying to get you in the sack. He is the Supervisor of Elections for Leon Co., not for Florida.

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**Author:** ![Big\_Kahuna\_Burger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Big\_Kahuna\_Burger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Kahuna_Burger)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/23 "2002-08-06T06:02:56Z")

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> I thought he couldn’t run again because of term limits. No?

There are no term limits on congressional offices. Some states tried to implement them, but they had no jurisdiction over a federal entity. They were mostly Western states pissed that entrenched incumbents in the East had so much clout. Since the GOP took power, the West has had some congressmen come to prominence and the furor has died. However, nonprofit group U.S. Term Limits will sometimes have candidates sign pledges to not serve more than X terms. In past years, Congressmen Nethercutt, Marty Meehan (D-MA05) and Scott McInnis (R-CO03) were just a few of many who went back on this promise. I don’t think anyone has ever lost an election for reneging on the pledge, but Nethercutt beat Tom Foley primarily because he said he would (also because some voters thought that if he beat Foley he’d become Speaker. Apparently Eastern Washington civics classes leave a lot to be desired). So Miller didn’t have to abide by the pledge, yet he did. Good for him.

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**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/24 "2002-08-06T14:46:46Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Brutus \*  
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> He’s lying to get you in the sack. He is the Supervisor of Elections for Leon Co., not for Florida. \*\*

My bad. But he’s still the man who knows.

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/25 "2002-08-06T19:51:43Z")

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blessedwolf said:

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> My bad. But he’s still the man who knows.

Ummm…either he doesn’t know or you misinterpreted him (no offense, but I tend to think the latter, I’ve known Ion for quite a while (used to live three houses down from him) and voted for him several times, he is IMHO one of the best SoE in Florida). The law is that she had to submit a resignation letter specifying a date of resignation. She did NOT have to resign immediately. Failure to submit a letter constitutes an immediate, irrevocable resignation. See the third article linked in the OP, it explains it pretty clearly. You can also look it up on [www.myflorida.com](http://www.myflorida.com).

RE your editorial comment, I find that a little hard to believe (not necessarily the sentiment behind the comment, but that Ion would say it, he steered pretty clear of that whole controversy IIRC).

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**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/26 "2002-08-06T20:27:09Z")

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> \*Originally posted by RTA \*  
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> Harris extended the deadline for candidates (days earlier, she unexpectedly made them pay an extra $43 to file), in violation of Florida law but with the OK of Jeb Bush.  
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong here, but wasn’t one of the reasons that the 2000 election turned out the way it did that KH **refused** to extend a deadline for counties to get in their returns, even though the law allowed her to extend it?

Funny how her reverence for fixed deadlines waxes and wanes…

\*&^%$#@! politically motivated hypocrites!

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**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/27 "2002-08-06T21:09:33Z")

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> \*Originally posted by grem0517 \*  
> \*\* The law is that she had to submit a resignation letter specifying a date of resignation. She did NOT have to resign immediately. Failure to submit a letter constitutes an immediate, irrevocable resignation. \*\*

Paraphrasing what he said, Harris was required to submit her resignation 10 days prior to announcing her candidacy.  
Admittedly, I only scanned the article linked; having worked in news media, I have a hard time taking what is said for gospel. I’m basing what I know on what an authority has told me directly.

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> \*\*RE your editorial comment, I find that a little hard to believe (not necessarily the sentiment behind the comment, but that Ion would say it, he steered pretty clear of that whole controversy IIRC). \*\*

I found it hard to believe as well. Perhaps I caught him in a talkative mood, but when I asked him “what’s your take on the whole 2000 election?” he began mentioning precedents set in court, and talking about the laws in place at the time. When I requested a paraphrase, he flat-out told me what I have already passed on. [sub]Had he mentioned that it was _sub rosa,_ I wouldn’t have brought it to the board. But there’s a PBS programme coming up (I don’t know when precisely, keep an eye out) which will tell the story. So perhaps he’s not steering as clear of it now as he was a year and a half ago. [/sub]

I agree with you on his character, though. Despite being a politician and a lawyer, he is exceedingly trustworthy, and not only would I vote for him, he’s the type of guy I’d ask to feed my cats while I’m out of town.  
But whether or not you believe he said this to me…well, I can’t give a cite. But it happened yesterday. And I was there at the time. Make of that what you will, I can’t offer any proof but my word.

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/28 "2002-08-06T21:34:33Z")

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Aha! I think I see the problem. Yes, she is required to submit her resignation before qualifying. The resignation can have a later effective date though. IIRC, one of the original intents behind the law was to allow replacement candidates to qualify without needing a special election after the fact. Another was to prevent incumbents from running for office with a “fallback” position if they lost.

RE: Ion’s comments on 2000. Wow! I have to say I never would have expected it and honestly, I’m a little disappointed. I know he gets mixed up in local politics from time to time, but I never expected him to be so blunt on a national issue which is that sensitive.  
Just out of curiousity, did you talk about the current lawsuit against the state to which he is party? I gotta say that I am totally on his side on this one. A 700+ word “summary” on the ballot? Give me a break.

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**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\
**Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katherine-harris-continued/122094/29 "2002-08-07T01:07:19Z")

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She went to my alma mater. I’m so ashamed.

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