# Kathy Griffin; "Jesus" remarks a bit more offensive that reported **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 18, 2007, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609 "2007-09-18T15:09:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/41 "2007-09-18T20:06:38Z")
never mind ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/42 "2007-09-18T20:08:08Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] any credit they want to pass around is fine with me. Jesus is less offensive than their lawyer, as far as I’m concerned. [/QUOTE] Really? Because I find the idea that Jesus works \*for them \* (much as their lawyer does) pretty freakin’ offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/43 "2007-09-18T20:10:10Z")
[QUOTE=Cat Fight] Yeah, but as far as I know, no member of my family is omnipotent and none claims to have created the universe. Had they, I’m sure Griffin’s comments wouldn’t have bothered them much, not while they’re busy creating natural disasters and killing first-borns and whatnot. [/QUOTE] You missed the point. I’m not saying it would bother the member of your family who is the object of the ridicule; I’m saying that it would bother you — presuming you love them, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/44 "2007-09-18T20:12:22Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] Really? Because I find the idea that Jesus works \*for them \* (much as their lawyer does) pretty freakin’ offensive. [/QUOTE] Why would that offend you, seeing as how you’ve rejected Him? I mean, if you’re saying that you asked Jesus to be your Lord and He refused, then I could see your complaint. But you don’t believe in Him anyway, so what’s it to you whom He works for? ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/45 "2007-09-18T20:21:47Z")
[QUOTE=KneadToKnow] I thought the “Daytime” Emmys were the Emmys for soap operas and talk shows and stuff that airs … you know … in the daytime. I had been led to believe this Kathy Griffin thing occurred at the non-televised technical awards show for the regular, “Primetime” Emmys. I’m so friggin’ confused. [/QUOTE] You’re right. The awards in question were the Creative Arts Emmys, which are part of the Primetime Emmys but are awarded as part of a seperate ceremony. Both the Creative Arts and Primetime Emmys are awarded by the Academy of TV Arts and Sciences, while the Daytime Emmys are awarded by the similarly-named but seperate National Academy of TV Arts and Sciences. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/46 "2007-09-18T20:26:17Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] You missed the point. I’m not saying it would bother the member of your family who is the object of the ridicule; I’m saying that it would bother you — presuming you love them, of course. [/QUOTE] Ah. Right. True. Of course, part of me being offended would be me knowing that they themselves would be offended. Or my fear of them. Knowing they’d created the universe might lead me to believe they’re not too sensitive (though I suppose that’s untrue re: the OT God). I just don’t get the concept of blasphemy. It seems so petty. Ah well. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/47 "2007-09-18T20:32:57Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] Really? Because I find the idea that Jesus works \*for them \* (much as their lawyer does) pretty freakin’ offensive. [/QUOTE] I don’t know what to say then…you must be one of those people who are just easily offended. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/48 "2007-09-18T20:33:32Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Why would that offend you, seeing as how you’ve rejected Him? I mean, if you’re saying that you asked Jesus to be your Lord and He refused, then I could see your complaint. But you don’t believe in Him anyway, so what’s it to you whom He works for? [/QUOTE] So you \*don’t \* find anything offensive about the idea that Jesus plays favorites and uses his holy powers to decide who wins Emmys and football games? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding this Christianity thing. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/49 "2007-09-18T20:38:12Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] So you \*don’t \* find anything offensive about the idea that Jesus plays favorites and uses his holy powers to decide who wins Emmys and football games? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding this Christianity thing. [/QUOTE] I’m only offended in so far as I haven’t gotten the Valerie Bertinelli I started asking for ca. Christmas, 1977. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/50 "2007-09-18T20:44:19Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] So you \*don’t \* find anything offensive about the idea that Jesus plays favorites and uses his holy powers to decide who wins Emmys and football games? [/quote] Silly, yes. Offensive, no. > [@](#): > > Perhaps I’m misunderstanding this Christianity thing. That much is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/51 "2007-09-18T20:51:43Z")
[QUOTE=KneadToKnow] I had been led to believe this Kathy Griffin thing occurred at the non-televised technical awards show for the regular, “Primetime” Emmys. I’m so friggin’ confused. [/QUOTE] No, not the “[technical](http://www.emmyonline.org/tech/)” Emmys, which will be given away next January. These were the “creative arts” Emmys, which is a polite way of saying the lesser artistic Emmys. • News & Documentary Emmy Awards (Sept. 24, 2007) • Sports Emmy Awards (April 30, 2007) • Business & Financial Emmy Awards (Dec. 4, 2007) • Daytime Entertainment Emmy Awards (June 15, 2007) • Prime Time Emmy Awards (Sept. 16, 2007) • Creative Arts Emmy Awards (Sept. 8, 2007) • Technology & Engineering Emmy Awards (Jan. 7, 2008) ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/52 "2007-09-18T20:53:31Z")
Okay, but still not the > [@](#): > > Daytime Entertainment Emmy Awards (June 15, 2007) right? ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/53 "2007-09-18T20:55:37Z")
Kathy Griffin won her award, and made her Jesus quip, at the Creative Arts Emmy Awards on Sept. 8, 2007. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/54 "2007-09-18T20:58:14Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Why would that offend you, seeing as how you’ve rejected Him? I mean, if you’re saying that you asked Jesus to be your Lord and He refused, then I could see your complaint. But you don’t believe in Him anyway, so what’s it to you whom He works for? [/QUOTE] You brought up the point that an athiest could empathize in that it is not the figure being maligned per se that is offensive, but the feeling of love from a person towards that figure being insulted. Likewise, couldn’t the feeling that one is being served by a figure such as Jesus be offensive even if he doesn’t exist? ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/55 "2007-09-18T21:00:01Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] I don’t know what you’re on about, but I didn’t say anything about any of that. I was just trying to explain to someone who asked why it would hurt someone’s feelings. I do realize that no one owes me any feel-goodness. [/QUOTE] Sorry…I thought you were defending those with the hurt feelings as if it were a reasonable response to her bit. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![recessiveMeme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@recessiveMeme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/recessiveMeme)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/56 "2007-09-18T21:17:07Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] [QUOTE=DianaG] Perhaps I’m misunderstanding this Christianity thing. [/quote] That much is obvious. [/quote] From the Book of Apocryphous, Chapter 42, Verse 17: > [@""](#): > > And the Lord did note that the end of the match drew nigh and that His team had yet to cover the spread. And then he did impart to His chosen players a mighty strength. And verily the spread was covered. And it was good. And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats… So you see, Christianity isn’t just about a selfless symbol of virtue that can teach you to be a better person and, indeed, guide you to the spiritual enlightenment that ultimately allows you to transcend the flawed, frail, mortal thing that you are… it’s also about a petty deity backing an arbitrarily selected individual to victory in any number of trivial contests. It’s important to get all that in there. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/57 "2007-09-18T21:25:38Z")
In defense of those who thank God/Jesus after winning an award: they are not necessarily saying that “God chose me to win over the losers.” They are thanking God for whatever talents they have been given in life. Every major Christian denomination recognizes free will in the actions of our lives, and thus that we choose to use our talents. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/58 "2007-09-18T21:26:52Z")
[QUOTE=Walloon] No, not the “[technical](http://www.emmyonline.org/tech/)” Emmys, which will be given away next January. These were the “creative arts” Emmys, which is a polite way of saying the lesser artistic Emmys. [/quote] OK. I was trying to think of a one-word description to distinguish between the two shows and “daytime” is what popped up in my mind while a quick search didn’t come up with “creative arts.” Sorry for any confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/59 "2007-09-18T21:28:02Z")
[QUOTE=Walloon] In defense of those who thank God/Jesus after winning an award: they are not necessarily saying that “God chose me to win over the losers.” [/QUOTE] Except for the times that they are. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/60 "2007-09-18T21:31:20Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] So you \*don’t \* find anything offensive about the idea that Jesus plays favorites and uses his holy powers to decide who wins Emmys and football games? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding this Christianity thing. [/QUOTE] I think you misunderstood the question. What I asked you is why it matters to you since you don’t believe in Him anyway? Why are you offended by people claiming to have an imaginary friend? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609.md?page=4)