# Kathy Griffin; "Jesus" remarks a bit more offensive that reported **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 18, 2007, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609 "2007-09-18T15:09:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/61 "2007-09-18T21:32:38Z")
[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase] Except for the times that they are. [/QUOTE] For once I’d like them to place blame where it belongs when they lose. The nerve of god to give some people better talents than others. It’s as if he likes some people better than others. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/62 "2007-09-18T21:35:18Z")
[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase] Except for the times that they are. [/QUOTE] To add to Walloon’s serious answer to an increasingly frivolous discussion…the winner could also be saying that their faith has given their lives the focus and meaning necessary to perform their best. Or that they are offering all good things that happen to them up in thanks to their Creator. Or they could be saying that God prefers The Sopranos to Lost, and the Red Sox over the Yankees…but I would wager that those cases are relatively few. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/63 "2007-09-18T21:37:54Z")
[QUOTE=Slithy Tove] “The Catholic League?” Sounds like a bunch of guys with [pikes and arquebusses marching laying waste to Saxony,](http://www.schwarzer-schwan.de/Uber_uns/Mitmachen/Charaktere/04_Landsknecht16JH.jpg) … [/QUOTE] I had a different thought … _Several small nuns walk onto the stage and start swaying to music and begin to sing in high-pitched voices_ \*We represent the Catholic League The Catholic League, the Catholic League And in the name of the Catholic League We wish to welcome you to Guiltin’ Land \* ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/64 "2007-09-18T21:40:20Z")
The Old Testament is full of incidences of God favoring an individual or a nation over another: Abel over his brother Cain (which is why Cain slew Abel), the Hebrews over the Egyptians. And giving specific talents, e.g., the gift of prophesy, to certain individuals. How they used those talents was up to them. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/65 "2007-09-18T23:10:02Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] Or they could be saying that God prefers The Sopranos to Lost, and **the Red Sox over the Yankees** …but I would wager that those cases are relatively few. [/QUOTE] I’m fairly certain that particular assertion is frequent, absolutely sincere on the part of the asserters, and absolutely, demonstrably untrue, to my eternal sorrow. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/66 "2007-09-19T00:21:24Z")
i as well would like to believe in the divine rights of the bosox over the yankees. here in the us of a, person has the right to say stuff. another person has the right to be offended by the stuff said and say so. not so very long ago her statement could have gotten her killed. and lest we forget a comment like the one said with the substitution of a different name could get her a death sentence now. is shock comedy worth a death sentence? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/67 "2007-09-19T00:39:48Z")
[QUOTE=rocking chair] i as well would like to believe in the divine rights of the bosox over the yankees. here in the us of a, person has the right to say stuff. another person has the right to be offended by the stuff said and say so. not so very long ago her statement could have gotten her killed. and lest we forget a comment like the one said with the substitution of a different name could get her a death sentence now. is shock comedy worth a death sentence? [/QUOTE] Heck, illiteracy in posts isn’t even worth a death sentence and it’s a far more serious and offensive offense. :o ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/68 "2007-09-19T01:03:02Z")
[QUOTE=rocking chair] not so very long ago her statement could have gotten her killed. [/QUOTE] In the English-speaking world, you’d have to go back to the 17th century. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/69 "2007-09-19T01:12:28Z")
[QUOTE=Walloon] In the English-speaking world, you’d have to go back to the 17th century. [/QUOTE] Nonsense. Atheists have been murdered for their beliefs in my lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/70 "2007-09-19T01:22:30Z")
[QUOTE=rocking chair] and lest we forget a comment like the one said with the substitution of a different name could get her a death sentence now. [/QUOTE] Muhammed isn’t a god. But then again, comedians don’t have to do research, as Chris Rock pointed out when he compared the war in Iraq to a war between the Gap and Banana Republic when he hosted the Oscars. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/71 "2007-09-19T01:29:30Z")
Want to hear something REALLY offensive: > [@](#): > > I think if Jesus Christ had lived in this day and age, he would have advised his disciples to get a permit and carry a gun because as Ben Franklin liked to remind people “God helps them that helps themselves.” (Poor Richard’s Almanac) This from Lars Larson, local conservative radio talk show host. ---
**Author:** ![iftheresaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecae2f/32.png) [@iftheresaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iftheresaway)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/72 "2007-09-19T01:51:19Z")
[QUOTE=rocking chair] and lest we forget a comment like the one said with the substitution of a different name could get her a death sentence now. is shock comedy worth a death sentence? [/QUOTE] Well, I would say that shock comedy (wow, do people really think that “suck it, Jesus” is shock comedy?) is a subset of free speech, and yes, many people have found free speech to be something worth fighting/ dying for. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/73 "2007-09-19T02:49:36Z")
I don’t like it when people say, “Jesus doesn’t care who wins the Emmy…” because I find the statement dishonest. The winner rarely just says, “thank Jesus I won this”…they usually are saying things along the lines of, “I thank Jesus, without him I could never have accomplished this…” I think they are saying that they credit him with making them the kind of person that excells and succeeds and perserveres, etc. I also don’t like when people pretend not to understand why someone would be offended that a person says “suck it” to the person that they worship. We don’t worship him? Fine. Why not have a bit of class and respect those that do. We can make fun of all sorts of ‘taboo’ topics without directly stating that the object of millions of worshipers should felate a penis. When you watch South Park, you know they may break some taboos. You watch it for that reason. An award show, you may be offended by one of the winners telling your god to suck it. Now, I think she certainly had a right to say it. I am just saying that she knows saying it will offend. Let us not all sit around with our eyebrows raised quizzically saying “Is Jesus’ feelings hurt?” ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/74 "2007-09-19T03:01:18Z")
Kathy did a short interview with a Karel, a KGO talkshow host. She was of the opinion that “Jesus can take it”. If HE was offended, she would have been smote(?) by now. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/75 "2007-09-19T03:12:09Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] For once I’d like them to place blame where it belongs when they lose. The nerve of god to give some people better talents than others. It’s as if he likes some people better than others. [/QUOTE] Nah, because God doesn’t value talents the same way we do. He gives each person talents…it’s not his fault that we as a society value those who can throw a ball through a hoop or hit a ball with a stick. When you think about it, what on earth makes those talents “better” than a talent for street sweeping? At least when the street sweeper is done, the street is clean. ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/76 "2007-09-19T03:39:23Z")
[QUOTE=Nzinga, Seated] We don’t worship him? Fine. Why not have a bit of class and respect those that do. We can make fun of all sorts of ‘taboo’ topics without directly stating that the object of millions of worshipers should felate a penis. [/QUOTE] When said deity can burn those that don’t believe in him/her for eternity, I think followers of he/she should let it go when a nonbeliever suggest that said deity should felate a penis. I mean, really; Burn in hell or suck a cock, which is really the most offensive statement? ETA: I know not all Christians accept a literal hell, but without that can I have that comparison? ---
**Author:** ![Brynda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Brynda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynda)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/77 "2007-09-19T03:55:05Z")
Hell, I am just glad she said “suck” and not what I thought she said. 🙂 I am a KG fan (going to see her this weekend!) and what I thought was even worse. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/78 "2007-09-19T06:30:16Z")
I’m just amazed Jesus let her win he Emmy in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/79 "2007-09-19T08:07:19Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] I’m just amazed Jesus let her win he Emmy in the first place. [/QUOTE] Jesus has really been lying down on the job. Look at the number of World Series the Yankees have won, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Reepicheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@Reepicheep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reepicheep)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609/80 "2007-09-19T09:32:43Z")
[QUOTE=iftheresaway] Well, I would say that shock comedy (wow, do people really think that “suck it, Jesus” is shock comedy?) is a subset of free speech, and yes, many people have found free speech to be something worth fighting/ dying for. [/QUOTE] To the best of my knowledge (and not having seen the Catholic League’s response I am going on hearsay) no one has questioned her right to say what she did. The Catholic League asked a private agency that her remarks not be broadcast during said private agency’s awards show (which all parties knew going in was going to be highly edited according to **Exapno Madcase** ). Her remarks were not broadcast during the awards show. However, those same remarks have been broadcast and rebroadcast during multiple news sequences by other private agencies. Her right to speak her beliefs to her deity (the award) has not been stopped by the government. No one’s right to free speech has been compromised. Free speech is the right of speech without government interference, not the right of speech without other private agencies or peoples disagreeing with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kathy-griffin-jesus-remarks-a-bit-more-offensive-that-reported/419609.md?page=5)