# Katrina **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 27, 2005, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837 "2005-08-27T04:44:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/161 "2005-08-29T15:43:36Z")
And why would a warning be dated Monday when it apparently appeared on Sunday? ---
**Author:** ![Engineer\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9fc29f/32.png) [@Engineer\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Engineer_Dude)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/162 "2005-08-29T16:04:06Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > (1) Did the Army Core of Engineers make any effort to “pre-drain” any of the areas expected to flood? [nitpick] It’s Army **Corps** of Engineers, actually [/nitpick] Sorry, that’s one of those little things that bother me. I work for the Corps and am always telling people that it’s spelled like Marine Corps. Nobody ever misspells that one. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/163 "2005-08-29T16:51:09Z")
> [@whiterabbit](#): > > And why would a warning be dated Monday when it apparently appeared on Sunday? Are they using Greenwich time? [GMT is 5 hours ahead of CDT](http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/central-time/). ---
**Author:** ![Geobabe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/geobabe/32/3908_2.png) [@Geobabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geobabe)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/164 "2005-08-29T16:53:50Z")
> [@whiterabbit](#): > > I wish I was better at web stuff, but I’m still skeptical. There’s an awful lot of info there for a fake, but I can’t find out whether I’m being redirected but it’s showing a fake address or if it’s real. I’d try emailing the NWS, but they are a little bit busy right now. Since I was able to navigate to [weather.noaa.gov](http://weather.noaa.gov) from the main [noaa.gov](http://noaa.gov) website, I’d say it’s legitimate. If you look at the site map, there are a whackload of subdomains, including that one. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/165 "2005-08-29T16:55:48Z")
> [@whiterabbit](#): > > And why would a warning be dated Monday when it apparently appeared on Sunday? Its an updated page. As I said I was able to get to the exact page by clicking through. But to show a little more below are just some of the subdomains I found on [noaa.gov](http://noaa.gov) each one serves its own purpose. [http://nws.noaa.gov/](http://nws.noaa.gov/) [http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/](http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/) [http://weather.noaa.gov/](http://weather.noaa.gov/) [http://www.stormtracker.noaa.gov/](http://www.stormtracker.noaa.gov/) [http://www.spc.noaa.gov/](http://www.spc.noaa.gov/) [http://www.wrh.noaa.gov](http://www.wrh.noaa.gov) [http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/](http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/) [http://www.answers.noaa.gov/](http://www.answers.noaa.gov/) ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/166 "2005-08-29T17:12:47Z")
> [@Engineer Dude](#): > > [nitpick] It’s Army **Corps** of Engineers, actually [/nitpick] > > Sorry, that’s one of those little things that bother me. I work for the Corps and am always telling people that it’s spelled like Marine Corps. Nobody ever misspells that one. :dubious: **Lieu** could have done worse: > [@](#): > > Comments can also be submitted via telephone at \*\*\*\*\*; via e-mail at \*\*\*\*\*.com; and by mail to the FHWA, \*\*\* West \*\* South, Suite 9A, Salt Lake City, Utah 84118 or to the **U.S. Army Corpse of Engineers** , \*\*\* W. \*\*\* South, Suite 150, Bountiful, Utah 84010. [Utah gov: Department News](http://das.utah.gov/cc/dec2004/deptnews.html) ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/167 "2005-08-29T17:35:54Z")
What is the context of the debated alert again? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/168 "2005-08-29T17:39:37Z")
I’d say the alert was updated. When you clicked the link on Sunday, you got Sunday’s alert. On Monday, it had been updated to Monday’s alert. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/169 "2005-08-29T17:44:41Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > This is scary. I am still hoping to here from my BIL & SIL. We don’t know if they evacuated. My Brother-In-Law is a Resident, are medical personnel being evacuated also or are they being asked to stay? Via the family phone relay, My BIL & SIL are okay but they are in New Orleans. By BIL was requested to stay. They are staying at the University where my SIL works and have lights as of an hour ago. I hope everyone else is okay down there. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/170 "2005-08-29T18:00:21Z")
> [@Geobabe](#): > > Since I was able to navigate to [weather.noaa.gov](http://weather.noaa.gov) from the main [noaa.gov](http://noaa.gov) website, I’d say it’s legitimate. If you look at the site map, there are a whackload of subdomains, including that one. Yeah, but the graphics don’t look right to me somehow. Look, I’ll shut up about this, but I’m still suspicious. It doesn’t sound like them at all, and when I got to a [weather.gov](http://weather.gov) through the NOAA Louisiana warnings page, it looked quite different. None of the color headings on the warnings and stuff, and the banner at the top looks just a bit fuzzy. I’m not enough of a web person to dig down in the registries, unfortunately. Maybe I’m being paranoid, but if this is a fake, it pisses me off. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/171 "2005-08-29T18:03:24Z")
Crap. Let me rephrase. I did indeed get through to a [weather.gov](http://weather.gov) local warnings page through the NOAA proper. But it looked a lot different than the one linked upthread. The biggest difference was the headers on the individual warnings weren’t in color, and the warnings themselves were written differently somehow. Also the banner at the top looks just a hair fuzzy on the suspect one. It’d be really easy to set up a fake for someone who knows how, I’m sure. I don’t know how, but I’ve heard of stuff like that. I was so upset yesterday at the prospect of New Orleans getting wiped off the map I believed it. I’m really pissed if it’s a fake, and I think it is. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/172 "2005-08-29T18:18:17Z")
I’m sorry about the thread hijack. Back to the subject. I have a good friend who lives on the Northshore and I’m hoping she got out (I haven’t heard from her in a few days, a good sign in its own way) and has a home to go back to. Really, I’m just tremendously upset about this, even though I know it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/173 "2005-08-29T18:51:11Z")
I am at work and we have a remote salesperson from New Orleans here training this week. He just moved into a house around the 9th Ward a month ago. He just reached one of his friends who is still in New Orleans and found out that a levee broke near his house and everything is gone. His new car too. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/174 "2005-08-29T21:05:32Z")
I finally found the web page with that harrowing warning. [http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=NPWLIX&version=6&max=51](http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=NPWLIX&version=6&max=51) I got the URL from [http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007177](http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007177) . But the URL posted that had “version=0” in it. I had to click on “previous version” on that page a few times to get to the correct warning. You may have to do the same if updates affect the version number. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/175 "2005-08-29T21:28:28Z")
Huh. Whaddya know. [SIZE=1]going to go off and be embarassed by herself for awhile[/size=1] ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/176 "2005-08-29T22:59:27Z")
no worries,whiterabbit. there are times i swear i have to wipe drool off of the monitor. it leaks through sometimes on the weather discussions from the nws. when big storms happen they get very full of the “juices of life”. they just really wanted to be sure people knew this 'cane was not to be triffled with. there are a few people who write the discussions for the nws that have a bit of humour in their reports. sometimes you aren’t sure if you should be laughing. the humour is very dry. i’ve learned to recognized some of the writers. i hope we hear from “our people” in the storm’s path soon. ---
**Author:** ![BabaBooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dfb087/32.png) [@BabaBooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BabaBooey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/177 "2005-08-29T23:26:48Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > I am at work and we have a remote salesperson from New Orleans here training this week. He just moved into a house around the 9th Ward a month ago. He just reached one of his friends who is still in New Orleans and found out that a levee broke near his house and everything is gone. His new car too. On the flipside, my friend two blocks off of Bourbon who rode it out says there’s only minor damage. Kenner and Metairie look to have taken some flood damage (a video I’ve seen near the old folks home on Transcontinental looks like it was about knee deep everywhere), but it looks like we made out like bandits in this thing. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/178 "2005-08-29T23:40:25Z")
Finally. After almost 10 hours after landfall, Hurricane Katrina is now Tropical Storm Katrina. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/179 "2005-08-29T23:42:44Z")
> [@Idle Thoughts](#): > > Finally. After almost 10 hours after landfall, Hurricane Katrina is now Tropical Storm Katrina. And within a very few hours, I get to say “Hello, Katrina”. At around 5AM. And the Governer of Tennessee wants State Employees like me to come to work tomorrow. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837/180 "2005-08-29T23:54:51Z")
> [@BabaBooey](#): > > On the flipside, my friend two blocks off of Bourbon who rode it out says there’s only minor damage. Kenner and Metairie look to have taken some flood damage (a video I’ve seen near the old folks home on Transcontinental looks like it was about knee deep everywhere), but it looks like we made out like bandits in this thing. I’m not so sure. I just saw an in depth report on MSNBC. It was the first report that I saw that showed footage from all over the city. There is massive damage everywhere. The levee breaks caused huge flooding in some areas. Water is over the roofs of houses in some areas. Even worse, most of the city’s drainage pumps aren’t working and won’t be for some time. Authorities speculate that it could many weeks or more to get large areas of the city drained. Levee repairs will have to be completed before they can even start draining in some areas. An analyst said that 90% of the buildings in the city suffered major damage or catastrophic failure. All the large buildings downtown had their windows blown out. That caused interior damage. Even the Superdome lost part of its roof. Looting is also reported to be rampant by friends of the salesperson I mentioned above. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/katrina/318837.md?page=10)