# Kavanaugh redux: Grassley wants DOJ to investigate Kavanaugh accuser Julie Swetnick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 26, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537 "2018-10-26T11:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/21 "2018-10-26T20:43:22Z")
If Breitbart reported it…it must be troll-food. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/22 "2018-10-26T21:21:51Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Swetnick’s Democrat former boyfriend Dennis Ketterer wrote: Why do you think his political affiliation is relevant information? And really: slut shaming? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/23 "2018-10-26T22:09:51Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/03/former-dem-candidate-claims-relationship-with-julie-swetnick-i-do-not-believe-her-allegations/](https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/03/former-dem-candidate-claims-relationship-with-julie-swetnick-i-do-not-believe-her-allegations/) Ah Breitbart. Now THERE’S a reliable source! ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/24 "2018-10-26T23:59:55Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > I agree with you which makes Avenatti, Feinstein, her lawyers, the Democrats , and the MSM all the more despicable. > > I believe Ford and Swetnick are tragic figures that have been exploited. These two women have psychological problems and became fixated on a public figure that they have some sort of tenuous connection to. This is extremely common. I have two family members who are minor celebrities and people desperately want to connect them just because they saw them on television. Avenatti, Feinstein, her lawyers, the Democrats , and the MSM know this first hand as I’m sure they have people wanting connect with them. I’m sure you would feel the exact same way if a democrat were accused of a sex crime. Were anthony weiner’s accusers all just trying to gain attention? Also why did this only happen with Kavanaugh? There are lots and lots of celebrities. How come nobody accused mitt Romney of rape? Why wasn’t Neil Gorsuch accused of rape? Please answer all these questions. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/25 "2018-10-27T03:13:09Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Swetnick’s Democrat former boyfriend Dennis Ketterer wrote: > > "During a conversation about our sexual preferences, things got derailed when Julie told me that she liked to have sex with more than one guy at a time. In fact sometimes with several at one time. She wanted to know if that would be ok in our relationship. > > I asked her if this was just a fantasy of hers. She responded that she first tried sex with multiple guys while in high school and still liked it from time-to-time. She brought it up because she wanted to know if I would be interested in that." > > [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/03/former-dem-candidate-claims-relationship-with-julie-swetnick-i-do-not-believe-her-allegations/](https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/03/former-dem-candidate-claims-relationship-with-julie-swetnick-i-do-not-believe-her-allegations/) Does that mean she’s fair game for nonconsensual sexual assault? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/26 "2018-10-27T04:47:00Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > What are you upset about? Because the goal of this is to intimidate women into silence so they can be raped with impunity. Just as part of the point of putting Kavanaugh on the court was to rub it in the collective faces of American women that the nation is run by rapists. The Republican party is the pro-rape party, their supporters rapists and rape supporters. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/27 "2018-10-27T14:24:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Does that mean she’s fair game for nonconsensual sexual assault? Absolutely not. However, some sexual behavior is indicative of mental illness. Group sex and rape fantasies are likely manifestations of an unhealthy mind. Swetnick has a restraining order against her for stalking a former boyfriend and has been engaged in other sexual misconduct. “Allegations laid out against her in the lawsuit include engaging in unwelcome sexually offensive conduct and **making false and retaliatory allegations** that other co-workers had engaged in inappropriate conduct toward her.” My bold. > **[Kavanaugh accuser Julie Swetnick faced own misconduct allegations at past job...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick-faced-own-misconduct-allegations-at-past-job-with-tech-firm-reports)** > > The third woman to accuse Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct faced "inappropriate conduct" allegations of her own during her brief employment with an Oregon tech firm, according to reports. ---
**Author:** ![Ionizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5daacb/32.png) [@Ionizer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ionizer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/28 "2018-10-27T14:42:12Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Absolutely not. > > However, some sexual behavior is indicative of mental illness. Group sex and rape fantasies are likely manifestations of an unhealthy mind. Swetnick has a restraining order against her for stalking a former boyfriend and has been engaged in other sexual misconduct. Do you feel that having an attitude of “Just grab 'em by their pussy”, and most likely doing such physically indicates a mental illness? How about insisting on viewing underage girls and youngish beauty pageant contestants in a state of undress? And if so, how much would that cloud a person’s judgment and ability to recall past actions? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/29 "2018-10-27T14:48:06Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > However, some sexual behavior is indicative of mental illness. Group sex and rape fantasies are likely manifestations of an unhealthy mind. Swetnick has a restraining order against her for stalking a former boyfriend and has been engaged in other sexual misconduct. > > “Allegations laid out against her in the lawsuit include engaging in unwelcome sexually offensive conduct and **making false and retaliatory allegations** that other co-workers had engaged in inappropriate conduct toward her.” My bold. From what I can tell, you’re 100% in support of investigating if Swetnick made false claims, but 0% in support of investigating if Kavanaugh made false claims. Why the difference? Why do you 100% believe Kavanaugh and 0% believe Swetnick? Many other people said Kavanaugh drank heavily when he was younger, which can impair his ability to form memories of events at that time. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/30 "2018-10-27T15:53:12Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > However, some sexual behavior is indicative of mental illness. Group sex and rape fantasies are likely manifestations of an unhealthy mind. Cite? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/31 "2018-10-27T16:10:01Z")
There’s been a supplemental referral, because now one of Avenatti’s own witnesses is accusing him of defrauding Congress. NBC [interviewed](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/new-questions-raised-about-avenatti-claims-regarding-kavanaugh-n924596) one of the women who executed one of the sworn declarations submitted to the Judiciary Committee by Avenatti in support of Swetnick’s account, and she disavowed the statement. Contradicting what was in the declaration, she told NBC that she never saw Kavanagh spike punch or behave abusively toward girls. Confronted by NBC with her disavowal, NBC recounts that Avenatti blustered and then arguably faked a text from the witness. Interestingly, NBC did these interviews between Sep. 30 and Oct. 3, well before the confirmation vote, but it didn’t report on them until this week. In other words, it looks like they were willing to withhold this information as long as stopping Kavanagh remained a possibility, but now that that’s over, they’re cutting Avenstti loose and giving Grassley another sick to hit him with. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/32 "2018-10-27T16:14:18Z")
“Such indiscriminating or sometimes even random sexual behaviors can be commonly seen in various mental disorders such as psychosis, manic episodes, substance abuse and dependence, dissociative identity disorder, as well as borderline, narcissistic and antisocial personalities, and can, in fact, often be partially diagnostic of such pathological conditions.” > **[What Motivates Sexual Promiscuity?](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evil-deeds/201111/what-motivates-sexual-promiscuity)** > > The psychodynamic meaning of nymphomania. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/33 "2018-10-27T16:30:52Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > [interviewed](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/new-questions-raised-about-avenatti-claims-regarding-kavanaugh-n924596) Because a lot of liberals refuse to look at evidence, I thought I should quote from your cite. "Referring to Kavanaugh spiking the punch, “I didn’t ever think it was Brett,” the woman said to reporters in a phone interview arranged by **Avenatti** on Sept. 30 after repeated requests to speak with other witnesses who might corroborate Swetnick’s claims. **As soon as the call began, the woman said she never met Swetnick in high school and never saw her at parties and had only become friends with her when they were both in their 30s.** **When asked in the phone interview if she ever witnessed Kavanaugh act inappropriately towards girls, the woman replied, “no.”** She did describe a culture of heavy drinking in high school that she took part in, and said Kavanaugh and his friend Mark Judge were part of that group." My bold. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/34 "2018-10-27T16:40:18Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Because a lot of liberals refuse to look at evidence, I thought I should quote from your cite. > > "Referring to Kavanaugh spiking the punch, “I didn’t ever think it was Brett,” the woman said to reporters in a phone interview arranged by **Avenatti** on Sept. 30 after repeated requests to speak with other witnesses who might corroborate Swetnick’s claims. **As soon as the call began, the woman said she never met Swetnick in high school and never saw her at parties and had only become friends with her when they were both in their 30s.** > > **When asked in the phone interview if she ever witnessed Kavanaugh act inappropriately towards girls, the woman replied, “no.”** She did describe a culture of heavy drinking in high school that she took part in, and said Kavanaugh and his friend Mark Judge were part of that group." My bold. So you’re saying that her words conflict with Kavanaugh’s about drinking, and Kavanaugh should be investigated for potentially lying under oath? Good for you! Way to hold your own side responsible. That’s the way to make a better country! ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/35 "2018-10-27T18:38:08Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because the goal of this is to intimidate women into silence so they can be raped with impunity. Just as part of the point of putting Kavanaugh on the court was to rub it in the collective faces of American women that the nation is run by rapists. > > The Republican party is the pro-rape party, their supporters rapists and rape supporters. Yes exactly. The goal is to terrorize anyone who would speak out against right wingers, that includes people who are victims of crimes they commit. There is no moral middle ground anymore. There is no ‘both sides are equally bad’ bullshit either. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/36 "2018-10-27T18:42:33Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > “Such indiscriminating or sometimes even random sexual behaviors can be commonly seen in various mental disorders such as psychosis, manic episodes, substance abuse and dependence, dissociative identity disorder, as well as borderline, narcissistic and antisocial personalities, and can, in fact, often be partially diagnostic of such pathological conditions.” > > [What Motivates Sexual Promiscuity? | Psychology Today](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evil-deeds/201111/what-motivates-sexual-promiscuity) Sorry, one opinion piece that offers up a “guess” at other’s motivations without ever knowing or speaking to them, without any cites of studies or research, isn’t enough for me and so I proclaim your assertion “full of shit” and utterly without merit. I mean, would you accept one un-cited op/ed piece from me that shows you’re wrong? If so, I’m sure I can find one. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/37 "2018-11-03T19:51:44Z")
Someone should start a gofundme for Judy Munro-Leighton. Ha! Ha! Another leftist loon who should go to jail. **‘I was angry and I sent it’: Another Kavanaugh accuser referred to FBI after recanting"** "Grassley, in a letter to the Department of Justice and FBI, said a woman by the name of Judy Munro-Leighton took responsibility for authoring an anonymous letter that made allegations that Kavanaugh and a friend raped her. After she was tracked down and interviewed by Senate investigators, the woman recanted and said she was not, in fact. the author and had never met Kavanaugh. " > **['I was angry and I sent it': Another Kavanaugh accuser referred to FBI after...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/02/brett-kavanaugh-accuser-referred-fbi-doj-investigation/1863210002/)** > > Sen. Chuck Grassley asked the federal authorities on Friday to investigate another person he says made false claims against Brett Kavanaugh. ---
**Author:** ![HelenTroy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helentroy/32/86_2.png) [@HelenTroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenTroy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/38 "2018-11-04T01:00:51Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > However, some sexual behavior is indicative of mental illness. Group sex and rape fantasies are likely manifestations of an unhealthy mind. _Blinks and then blinks again._ I’m going to have to tell the pulp romance novel community (dating back to at least 1970) that they all have unhealthy minds. Harlequin and Silhouette will be quite upset by this. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/39 "2018-11-04T01:02:15Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Someone should start a gofundme for Judy Munro-Leighton. Ha! Ha! Another leftist loon who should go to jail. > > **‘I was angry and I sent it’: Another Kavanaugh accuser referred to FBI after recanting"** > > "Grassley, in a letter to the Department of Justice and FBI, said a woman by the name of Judy Munro-Leighton took responsibility for authoring an anonymous letter that made allegations that Kavanaugh and a friend raped her. After she was tracked down and interviewed by Senate investigators, the woman recanted and said she was not, in fact. the author and had never met Kavanaugh. " > [Brett Kavanaugh accuser referred to FBI, DOJ for investigation](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/02/brett-kavanaugh-accuser-referred-fbi-doj-investigation/1863210002/) This story doesn’t even make sense, does it? ---
**Author:** ![HelenTroy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helentroy/32/86_2.png) [@HelenTroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenTroy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/40 "2018-11-04T01:03:34Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Sorry, one opinion piece that offers up a “guess” at other’s motivations without ever knowing or speaking to them, without any cites of studies or research, isn’t enough for me and so I proclaim your assertion “full of shit” and utterly without merit. > > I mean, would you accept one un-cited op/ed piece from me that shows you’re wrong? If so, I’m sure I can find one. Also, he conflates fantasy in his actual comment and behavior, which is what the article is about. Please look at his original comment. The cite does NOT back it up and Psychology Today? Really? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537.md?page=3)