# Kavanaugh redux: Grassley wants DOJ to investigate Kavanaugh accuser Julie Swetnick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 26, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537 "2018-10-26T11:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/41 "2018-11-04T01:04:35Z")
Trump tweeted about that letter. To review, Jane Doe wrote an anonymous handwritten letter from Oceanside California. Judy Munro-Leighton of Kentucky took credit for it an email. Big mistake. Investigators investigated and the story fell apart. Quickly. Erm, so what? I had never heard of Munro-Leighton. When early accusations of Kavanaugh came out liberals called for… investigation. Kavanaugh opposed them, while Grassley settled for a white wash, with the investigators restricted in umpteen different ways, _and I’m not just referring to time limits._ [Trump tweets about little-known Kavanaugh accuser’s lie to discredit others - Vox](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/3/18058832/judy-munro-leighton-brett-kavanaugh-trump-tweet) I thank LAZombie for vindicating the liberal position: criminal accusations should be investigated, especially when they are made about a prospective judge of the highest court in the land. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/42 "2018-11-04T03:49:42Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I thank LAZombie for vindicating the liberal position: criminal accusations should be investigated, especially when they are made about a prospective judge of the highest court in the land. There’s nothing stopping Christine Ford from continuing to build her case against Kavanaugh is there? Don’t you need more evidence to impeach him? Or are baseless accusations enough for Democrats? How about figuring out who that 4th male was at the party? Why hasn’t he come forward? How about figuring out where and when the party took place? How about figuring how she got home? What was her regular mode of transportation to the country club? What song was playing when she was assaulted? How about providing her medical records? Leland Keyser should be considered a hostile witness or perhaps she can’t back up Ford’s story because she was on family vacation for most of the summer of 82? Why haven’t Ford’s parents and brother spoken up? Why were her yearbooks scrubbed from the Internet? Why do we know so little about Chris “Squi” Garrett and his connection to this accusation? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/43 "2018-11-04T15:50:51Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Why were her yearbooks scrubbed from the Internet? This sounds like the kind of thing a crazy person would say. Are you a crazy person? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/44 "2018-11-04T17:00:41Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > There’s nothing stopping Christine Ford from continuing to build her case against Kavanaugh is there? Other than the constant barrage of death threats from conservatives that have driven her from her home? No, nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/45 "2018-11-04T17:59:06Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > “Such indiscriminating or sometimes even random sexual behaviors can be commonly seen in various mental disorders such as psychosis, manic episodes, substance abuse and dependence, dissociative identity disorder, as well as borderline, narcissistic and antisocial personalities, and can, in fact, often be partially diagnostic of such pathological conditions.” > > [What Motivates Sexual Promiscuity? | Psychology Today](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evil-deeds/201111/what-motivates-sexual-promiscuity) Did you even read this? Because it doesn’t support your opinion at all. You copied a brief blurb but you missed the entire point, or you’re deliberately deceptive if you did read it. Another blurb, further down: “Having said that, it is easy for men to be accused of imposing a double standard when it comes to female sexuality: It’s fine for men to be sexually promiscuous. Even indiscriminate. Such sexual activity is often culturally encouraged and admired. But when women openly and aggressively express their sexuality like men, we tend to view them as mentally ill, promiscuous, sinful or evil vixens.” ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/46 "2018-11-04T18:01:07Z")
Seriously? What song was playing when she was sexually assaulted? What in the hell is wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/47 "2018-11-04T18:10:56Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > Seriously? What song was playing when she was sexually assaulted? What in the hell is wrong with you? Some rape fantasies you just want to make sure you get all the details right. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/48 "2018-11-04T18:38:00Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > Seriously? What song was playing when she was sexually assaulted? What in the hell is wrong with you? Wouldn’t recalling the song help Ford remember other details? Do I have do the thinking for both side of the issue? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/49 "2018-11-04T18:44:03Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Wouldn’t recalling the song help Ford remember other details? Do I have do the thinking for both side of the issue? So far, you haven’t done any thinking, period. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/50 "2018-11-04T19:39:31Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I thank LAZombie for vindicating the liberal position: criminal accusations should be investigated, especially when they are made about a prospective judge of the highest court in the land. Except he didn’t mean _that_. I like how he tries to characterize this lady as a “rape accuser” when at best she’s a “rape accuser identity thief”, a position so rare and precarious in our society that clearly _that_ is the story. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/51 "2018-11-04T19:40:42Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Wouldn’t recalling the song help Ford remember other details? Do I have do the thinking for both side of the issue? Would it? You keep making specious assertions, so I don’t think I’m likely to give this one of yours much weight. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/52 "2018-11-04T22:19:17Z")
From the Huffington Post. Yes, that one. Senate Report Concludes No Evidence Supports Kavanaugh Misconduct Accusations "One person interviewed who claimed to know Ford said she did drugs on occasion. The type of drugs were not specified. Another woman said he had seen an old photo of Ford with billionaire Democratic donor George Soros. Another said Ford had a “robust” social life and did not seem to be suffering from the effects of a sexual assault." > **[Senate Report Concludes No Evidence Supports Kavanaugh Misconduct Accusations](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/senate-judiciary-committee-clears-kavanaugh-of-all-wrongdoing_n_5bde5454e4b04367a87d2a61)** > > Probe of "numerous allegations" wraps up just in time for the midterm elections. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/53 "2018-11-04T22:46:18Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > "One person interviewed who claimed to know Ford said she did drugs on occasion. The type of drugs were not specified. > > Another woman said he had seen an old photo of Ford with billionaire Democratic donor George Soros. Another said Ford had a “robust” social life and did not seem to be suffering from the effects of a sexual assault." Boy howdy, what impressive evidence! Two claims about her general lifestyle, and one person making an unsupported allegation, not that she’d seen Ford with Soros, but that she’d seen an old _photo_ of Ford with Soros. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/54 "2018-11-04T22:49:57Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > From the Huffington Post. Yes, that one. > > Senate Report Concludes No Evidence Supports Kavanaugh Misconduct Accusations > > "One person interviewed who claimed to know Ford said she did drugs on occasion. The type of drugs were not specified. > > Another woman said he had seen an old photo of Ford with billionaire Democratic donor George Soros. Another said Ford had a “robust” social life and did not seem to be suffering from the effects of a sexual assault." > > [Senate Report Concludes No Evidence Supports Kavanaugh Misconduct Accusations | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/senate-judiciary-committee-clears-kavanaugh-of-all-wrongdoing_us_5bde5454e4b04367a87d2a61) Do you even read your own cites? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/55 "2018-11-04T23:03:09Z")
The HuffPost article provides a link to the [Senate Judiciary Committee report](https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-11-02%20Kavanaugh%20Report.pdf), and boy howdy, is it a whitewash. Here’s the introduction: > [@](#): > > In the weeks leading up to Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s Senate confirmation vote on October 6, 2018, investigators from the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary (“Committee”) diligently pursued all relevant allegations made against the nominee. This memorandum summarizes the Committee’s work and provides a status update on the Committee’s ongoing efforts to review and address additional matters that arose during the course of the investigation, including potential violations of Senate rules, potential witness tampering, and potential false statements made to the Committee in violation of federal law. While the entire PDF is 414 pages long, the report itself, including intro and background, is only 28 pages; the rest consists of supporting exhibits. So it doesn’t take long to determine what the report actually covers. And for all that they say the Committee investigators “diligently pursued all relevant allegations made against the nominee” and “[t]his memorandum summarizes the Committee’s work,” the fact is, the only allegations it considered at all were those of sexual assault (Ford, Ramirez, Swetnick, etc.). In particular, the report made no mention of the exceedingly relevant accusations that Kavanaugh repeatedly lied to Congress, both in 2018 and during the Bush Administration, and that he may have perjured himself. While these allegations may not be as salacious and as riveting to the public as the allegations of Kavanaugh’s dishonesty with respect to his conduct during his service in the Bush Administration, the latter allegations are every bit as serious, and the potential of proving them is far greater due to both their relative recency and the much greater level of documentation that surrounds a Presidential administration than what is generally available concerning one’s high school and college years. So if this memorandum summarizes the Committee’s work, as the memorandum itself claims, then the Committee deliberately avoided investigating the most problematic accusations against Kavanaugh. Whitewash. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/56 "2018-11-05T09:39:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > In particular, the report made no mention of the exceedingly relevant accusations that Kavanaugh repeatedly lied to Congress, both in 2018 and during the Bush Administration, and that he may have perjured himself. While these allegations may not be as salacious and as riveting to the public as the allegations of Kavanaugh’s dishonesty with respect to his conduct during his service in the Bush Administration, the latter allegations are every bit as serious, and the potential of proving them is far greater due to both their relative recency and the much greater level of documentation that surrounds a Presidential administration than what is generally available concerning one’s high school and college years. I seem to have gone astray in the writing of that paragraph. Let me try again: In particular, the report made no mention of the exceedingly relevant accusations that Kavanaugh repeatedly lied to Congress, both in 2018 and during the Bush Administration, and that he may have perjured himself. While these allegations may not be as salacious and as riveting to the public as the allegations of sexual assault, the former allegations are every bit as serious, and the potential of proving them is far greater due to both their relative recency and the much greater level of documentation that surrounds a Presidential administration than what is generally available concerning one’s high school and college years. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/57 "2018-11-06T04:28:55Z")
“ **Ford ‘refused’ to hand over evidence** ” The committee said it collected 24 pages of evidence from Ford. That evidence consisted of her resume, her text messages with the Post, her letter to Feinstein, her communications with the Judiciary Committee, declarations from Ford’s husband and three friends that she had previously mentioned “an incident of sexual assault” and a summary of the results of a polygraph test. The committee report said it requested the full polygraph test along with audio or video recordings of the exam, but Ford “refused” to give them to the committee along with the notes from a therapy session about a past sexual assault that she shared with reporters. > **['No evidence to substantiate any of the claims': Takeaways from report on...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/05/brett-kavanaugh-allegations-report/1889770002/)** > > "Committee investigators found no verifiable evidence that supported Dr. Ford’s allegations against Justice Kavanaugh," the report concludes. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/58 "2018-11-06T04:45:46Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > If the FBI investigates Swetnick and finds that her allegation is credible, are they going to consider impeaching Kavanaugh? No? I didn’t think so. > > Fuck that guy. > > Stranger Yeah. Fuck Grassley and Kavanaugh. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/59 "2018-11-07T18:05:46Z")
Interestingly, re the Ramirez allegation, it turns out there was a known flasher on campus, in the same halls as the Ramirez and Kavanaugh, and the report contains a picture of said individual flashing. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537/60 "2018-11-07T18:29:40Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Interestingly, re the Ramirez allegation For certain very low thresholds of ‘interesting.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-redux-grassley-wants-doj-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick/823537.md?page=4)