# Kavanaugh supporters: Do you think he lied? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225 "2018-09-30T20:02:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/121 "2018-10-02T01:49:41Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Except in this case he has calendar entries for drinking with friends on weekdays. There was one entry on July 1st that I’m aware of. Were there others (you did say “entries” - plural)? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/122 "2018-10-02T01:56:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t see why this is weird. If someone said to me something like “the other day when you were at home having lunch …”, I may not recall the event, but I know that virtually every M-F I’m at work for lunch, so presumably if I were home for lunch it would have been on a weekend. But Kavanaugh’s position is that he’s never attended a gathering like the one Ford described. If that’s true, why would it occur to him presume it happened on the weekend? He wasn’t there, right? If he wasn’t there, the timing of the gathering was up to others to decide. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/123 "2018-10-02T02:04:52Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > But Kavanaugh’s position is that he’s never attended a gathering like the one Ford described. If that’s true, why would it occur to him presume it happened on the weekend? He wasn’t there, right? If he wasn’t there, the timing of the gathering was up to others to decide. “others” are also unable to decide the timing of the gathering. No one remembers it except Ford, and she doesn’t know what day (or even year) it happened. Back to my example, if someone told me that I … I don’t know … shared some gossip over lunch in my kitchen a couple of years ago, but they couldn’t remember when, I might helpfully chime in that it was presumably on a weekend because I don’t eat lunch at home during the week (with very rare exceptions). ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/124 "2018-10-02T02:07:34Z")
BTW, did we ever figure out who / what “Timmy’s” was from the July 1 calendar entry? Presumably a friend / classmate, but have they been identified? Do we know if Timmy’s house was in the approximate are described by Ford or somewhere else? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/125 "2018-10-02T02:14:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > BTW, did we ever figure out who / what “Timmy’s” was from the July 1 calendar entry? Presumably a friend / classmate, but have they been identified? Do we know if Timmy’s house was in the approximate are described by Ford or somewhere else? I’ve said this before… someone should Zillow the fuck out of Timmy’s house. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/126 "2018-10-02T02:20:03Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “others” are also unable to decide the timing of the gathering. No one remembers it except Ford, and she doesn’t know what day (or even year) it happened. Back to my example, if someone told me that I … I don’t know … shared some gossip over lunch in my kitchen a couple of years ago, but they couldn’t remember when, I might helpfully chime in that it was presumably on a weekend because I don’t eat lunch at home during the week (with very rare exceptions). Your analogy doesn’t fit because Kavanaugh is presuming the party happened during a time that conveniently coincides with him often being out of town and/or busy with sports. In other words, he was trying to direct attention away from days in which he theoretically could have attended the get-together. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/127 "2018-10-02T02:35:34Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > In other words, he was trying to direct attention away from days in which he theoretically could have attended the get-together. Yes, but he did so in the most ham-fisted way possible. Is he dumb? Does he think everyone else is dumb? What the shit is going on here? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/128 "2018-10-02T03:44:41Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Yes, but he did so in the most ham-fisted way possible. Is he dumb? Does he think everyone else is dumb? What the shit is going on here? Dumb? Well, not exactly. He’s entitled. He’s a privileged rich white guy who assumes that he’s just going to get the things he wants and that, if necessary, bluster and bullshit can be deployed to get it. Spewing bullshit has always worked before. And… I mean, so far the strategy has worked for him, so what’s dumb about it? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/129 "2018-10-02T03:50:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > … He’s a privileged rich white guy … I was under the impression he’s not all that rich. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/130 "2018-10-02T05:23:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I was under the impression he’s not all that rich. Indeed, some of the weird stories around the debt, and the baseball tickets, suggest that he’s not currently super-wealthy. But, his background and his schooling suggest he at least grew up in an upper-class lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/131 "2018-10-02T08:07:18Z")
Re wealth. As far as I can tell, he has only had either Goverment jobs or been a judge, the better part of two decades. Niether are known for paying well. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/132 "2018-10-02T09:14:21Z")
Looking at it from another politico-legal context, which may or may not be a hindrance, I was struck by the way he fluffed and fumbled for a response to the question whether he’d discussed the Mueller investigation with anyone working at a firm of lawyers working for the President. He didn’t appear to have the nous to say “To the best of my knowledge, no” - and fumbling around asking for a name rather suggests he did. Taken together, they seem to bring into question his intellectual capacity as much as his ability to judge without preconceptions any case that might arise in relation to the Mueller investigation - quite irrespective of any other dubious behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/133 "2018-10-02T09:26:01Z")
Kavanaugh’s inability to answer simple questions with straightforward answers is shady as fuck. The hullabaloo over his alleged sexual assualt on Christine Blasey Ford has taken center stage because of the #MeToo movement and because the last thing we need on the Supreme Court is a sexual predator, but there are alll manner of reasons why Kavanaugh is unsuited to be on the bench. However, the same was true for Clarance Thomas, and he got jammed though. Of course, that resulted in a backlash that put a healthy smack down on the GOP and resulted in a record number of women being elected to public office in the next election cycle, so even if Kavanaugh gets confirmed (it’s kind of up to Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski at this point; I wouldn’t put money on Flake voting against party even though he literally has nothing to lose politically at this point) we can expect the modterm and 2020 elections to be driven by a wave of anger over ramrodding this shitbird onto the bench. It is thin solace for having to endure having a rapey frat boy justice interpreting law on the highest court, but it is also a pointless, pyrrhic victory for the neoconservative movement. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/134 "2018-10-02T15:42:24Z")
Georgetown Prep and Georgetown University have had close ties since their cofounding way back in 1789. In fact, Georgetown Prep was located on Georgetown Univestity’s campus until 1919. For this reason, in addition to just ordinary proximity, it was a big deal at Georgetown Prep when the Patrick Ewing driven number one seed Georgetown advanced to the NCAA Final Four in 1982. There was almost a week between Georgetown earning its spot in the Final Four and its match up with Louisville and during this week this game was on nearly everyone’s mind at Georgetown Prep. The game, of course, was going to played in New Orleans, but it would be televised. Conversations all week circled around the game and the watch parties associated with this huge event. Finally Saturday, March 27 came in a week seemingly without end and game day was here. It was time to get together with frends and root for the home team. Georgetown did not disappoint and won a closely contested game 46-50. They were going to the finals! If the week between the round of eight and the semifinals seemed long, somehow the two days between the semis and finals seemed longer. Everyone at Georgetown Prep and the surrounding community was talking about this game and it could not start soon enough. Georgetown eventually lost in the finals on Monday, March 29 to North Carolina. North Carolina took the lead 17 seconds left on a Michael Jordan jumper and those were the last points scored in that game. With that in mind, does this ring true? > [@](#): > > WHITEHOUSE: Referring to Georgetown versus Louisville and… > > KAVANAUGH: you want — you want any more on the Fs? > > WHITEHOUSE: No. Orioles versus Red Sox. And both, you respond, “Who won anyway?” Or “Who won that game anyway?” Should we draw any conclusion that a loss of recollection associated with alcohol was involved in you not knowing who won the games that you attended? > > KAVANAUGH: No. First of all, the Georgetown-Louisville was watching it on TV, a party. And the… > > WHITEHOUSE: That’s not inconsistent with drinking and not remembering what happened. > > KAVANAUGH: I’m aware. And the point of both was, we in essence were having a party and didn’t pay attention to the game even though the game was the excuse we had for getting together. > > I think that’s very common. I don’t know if you’ve been to a Super Bowl party for example, Senator, and not paid attention to the game and just hung out with your friends. I don’t know if you’ve done that or not. But that’s what we were referring to in those — those two occasions. People may forget the outcome of some sporting event that they got roped into viewing but were not emotionally invested in the outcome. People don’t forget when THEIR team wins in the semifinals and secures their spot in the championship game. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/135 "2018-10-02T16:13:55Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Re wealth. As far as I can tell, he has only had either Goverment jobs or been a judge, the better part of two decades. Niether are known for paying well. [Paying bette](https://work.chron.com/pay-scale-federal-judges-7938.html)r than more than 80% of the rest of us make. > [@](#): > > The country’s 89 district courts are where most cases in the federal system start. District judges earned $174,000 a year, as of 2012. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/136 "2018-10-02T18:50:04Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > … during this week this game was on nearly everyone’s mind at Georgetown Prep. The game, of course, was going to played in New Orleans, but it would be televised. Conversations all week circled around the game and the watch parties associated with this huge event. … Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/137 "2018-10-02T18:53:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Cite? Are you for real? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/138 "2018-10-02T18:56:33Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Are you for real? Yes, I’m for real. You have a habit of making sweeping declarations in your post “everyone” “always” “every. single. one.” and the like. You’re usually wrong, and almost never have any evidence to support the sweeping nature of your claims. In this post, you claimed “this game was on nearly everyone’s mind at Georgetown Prep”. How do you know? Did you interview “nearly everyone”? You said “Conversations all week circled around the game and the watch parties associated with this huge event.” How do you know? Were you a student there that can speak to your personal experience? What’s your source for this information? Are you just guessing? ETA: and I don’t particularly mind guessing. I just wish you did a better job of making clear when that’s what you’re doing versus making statements of fact with actual sources to support them. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/139 "2018-10-02T19:18:57Z")
This is silly. I have cited my sources throughout the discussion, but I am not digging up a cite that people root for the home team. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225/140 "2018-10-02T19:25:08Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > [Paying bette](https://work.chron.com/pay-scale-federal-judges-7938.html)r than more than 80% of the rest of us make. He isn’t a district judge; he is a federal appeals court judge. Last year he made almost a quarter million, from salary and outside fees. This was cited earlier in the thread, when people were wondering how he could possibly afford season tickets without graft. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kavanaugh-supporters-do-you-think-he-lied/822225.md?page=8)