# kaylasdad99: "It is unacceptable for America to ever again have a Republican as President." Well? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254 "2016-11-09T19:18:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/21 "2016-11-09T20:44:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Would it be terribly upsetting for you to learn that if I were to assemble a list of people from whom I sought advice on aspects of acting classy, your name would not be found near the top? So, you’re okay operating by your personal definition of “classy”, but you feel you can “insist” on a clarification of kaylasdad’s personal definition of “unacceptable.” Right. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/22 "2016-11-09T20:50:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Do you consider the discussion of a potential murder to be a “paradox?” [/quote] Must admit, you lost me there. But it could be. If the potential murderer was already dead, that’s quite the paradox. Even if the potential murderer is just a really great guy that no one can imagine would ever harm a fly, considering him for murder could be considered paradoxical. I believe that kaly’s point as far as it being paradoxical is that so many people would have to vote against their own interests, he did not believe such a thing would be plausible. He seems to admit that he underestimated the power of hate. [quote] > [@Bricker](#): > > How about the decrees? With the sincerity of Colbert in his hat too… That wasn’t a prediction, that was a “commandment.” A commandment that anyone could have quite easily determined was “puffery”. Something not possible to ensure. I guess taking cues from our new president elect isn’t that big a deal, but “I told you so’s” aren’t all that classy. We get it, your guy won. Your gonna get all the social reverse that you have ever dreamed of. Gays will get unmarried, abortion will be illegal, healthcare will be available only for the wealthy, voting only for the deserved, you know, the kind of regression that has been advocated for by the right for decades now. You’re going to get so much social regression you won’t know what to do with it all. It’s gonna be just like leave it to beaver again. Civil rights are just laws, and so can be rolled back all the way back. It’ll be just like the 50’s, except instead of the top tier paying 90%+ in top marginal taxes, they will be paying 15ish. So, even better. So be happy that you won. Don’t be a sore loser. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/23 "2016-11-09T20:53:59Z")
Is this how the intellectual right wing gloats? Minutely parsing of the sentences of their opponents for inconsistencies while all the time writing with a feigned air of civility? I find your attempt at a meaningful gotcha to be paradoxical. Do you think you are winning hearts and minds here? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/24 "2016-11-09T20:54:36Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Nothing about your OP or your subsequent posts in this thread has been classy. Was that explicit enough, or should I elaborate? What you should do is back away from making this one more tired partisan feud with every challenge turned into a personal attack. = = = = I am curious, **Bricker** , what you hoped to discuss in this thread, since you singled out one poster to challenge on the topic. (Given the number of posters who regard all Republicans as unworthy of office, do we need to look forward to a separate thread addressing each poster who has taken a similar stand?) However, if we get to some sort of answer to your question and it does not grind into some lengthy “Nuh uh”/“Uh huh” match with a lot of personal attacks, I will let it stand in this forum, for now. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/25 "2016-11-09T21:01:35Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So be happy that you won. Don’t be a sore loser. Bricker voted very reluctantly for Hillary. But despite that, Im not surprised about Bricker wanting to rub a few posters’ noses in this loss. He probably could have found a better target for an “i told you so” than this, though. Obviously, kaylasdad issuing decrees and paradoxes was meant at least partially tongue in cheek. It wouldn’t be that hard to find equally strident yet more obviously obnoxious pronouncements around here but I guess Bricker forgot to bookmark them. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/26 "2016-11-09T21:07:39Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Bricker voted very reluctantly for Hillary. > > But despite that, Im not surprised about Bricker wanting to rub a few posters’ noses in this loss. He probably could have found a better target for an “i told you so” than this, though. Obviously, kaylasdad issuing decrees and paradoxes was meant at least partially tongue in cheek. It wouldn’t be that hard to find equally strident yet more obviously obnoxious pronouncements around here but I guess Bricker forgot to bookmark them. Maybe he should have voted more enthusiastically. But, who he voted for in the presidential is slightly irrelevant. I assume he went republican on the down ticket, which until 8:30 last night, were the races I was actually worried about. He is obviously very happy with the result, even if it is not the one he voted for. Note, I did say “So be happy that you won. Don’t be a sore loser.”, I of course meant “…winnner.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/27 "2016-11-09T21:18:27Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Maybe he should have voted more enthusiastically. > > But, who he voted for in the presidential is slightly irrelevant. I assume he went republican on the down ticket, which until 8:30 last night, were the races I was actually worried about. > > He is obviously very happy with the result, even if it is not the one he voted for. Not exactly. As I shared elsewhere: > [@\* \* \* ! Official 2016 US Presidential Election Day Thread ! \* \* \*](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1652): > > I’m probably not as upset as most people, since I regard the House and Senate results as generally good news, and hopefully as a moderating influence on Trump. > > But I am pretty angry, and part of my anger is directed at the unwillingness of people to be accountable for their predictions and be willing to learn. > > I disfavored Trump so strongly that I was willing to vote for Clinton, although when it actually came to voting for her, I had such a crisis of will that I literally stared at the ballot, unable to make myself mark her name, finally marked Trump’s name… and then found myself unable to submit a Trump ballot. I ended up marking the ballot void, getting another from the elections officer, and finally voting Clinton. > > This is an illustration of how odious I found Clinton. > > Irrationally, I find myself angry at effete liberals whose smug confidence and willingness to casually insult Trump voters led, in some measure, to this Trump victory. > > The country will survive. > > The Democrats nominated someone that couldn’t beat Donald J. Trump. What were they thinking? > > _sigh_ > > We nominated Donald J. Trump. What were WE thinking??? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/28 "2016-11-09T21:24:04Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I am curious, **Bricker** , what you hoped to discuss in this thread, since you singled out one poster to challenge on the topic. (Given the number of posters who regard all Republicans as unworthy of office, do we need to look forward to a separate thread addressing each poster who has taken a similar stand?) However, if we get to some sort of answer to your question and it does not grind into some lengthy “Nuh uh”/“Uh huh” match with a lot of personal attacks, I will let it stand in this forum, for now. I don’t recall any other posters who issued decrees and edicts of unacceptibility, which were offered up in seeming seriousness whenever there was an effort to discuss a notional future Republican president. I’m now asking how, specifically, the decree and the edict play out in future discussions. The dam having broken with Trump, is the decree still in effect or can future GOP presidents be discussed, at least as mathematical possibilities? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/29 "2016-11-09T21:41:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Would it be terribly upsetting for you to learn that if I were to assemble a list of people from whom I sought advice on aspects of acting classy, your name would not be found near the top? I don’t know; I’ll let you know when I learn that if it upsets me. OTOH, why do you care if it would upset me? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/30 "2016-11-09T21:41:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Not exactly. As I shared elsewhere: Maybe you should have voted more enthusiastically. I knew that you had said in the past you were planning on voting for Clinton, but you also said that you were willing to let Clinton supporting posters on the SD talk you out of it. I figured that was the case, and that you had gone ahead and switched your vote. You apparently almost did anyway. If you had been more enthusiastic, if you had told your friends an d neighbors who you were unreservedly voting for in this presidential election, things may have been different. Instead we had all of you “nose holders” who indeed turned off potential Clinton voters. When you say “I’m holding my nose and voting for Clinton,” Others hear, “I am going to do this unpleasant thing.” They don’t want to do the unpleasant thing. So, while you may have principle above personal feeling that makes you stand up and vote for who you feel would be a better president, the way you do so probably turns off more potential Clinton voters. If you simply say “I am going to vote for Clinton”, and leave your personal reservations to yourself, then people do not think of it as some Herculean task, only to be undertaken by the most principled of folks. I don’t say this to put the blame at your feet. I say this to say that no thanks are due or coming to you for your great odious task of marking a ballot. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/31 "2016-11-09T21:46:09Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If you had been more enthusiastic, if you had told your friends an d neighbors who you were unreservedly voting for in this presidential election, things may have been different. Instead we had all of you “nose holders” who indeed turned off potential Clinton voters. Perhaps – but as a Virginia voter, I choose to believe that my nuanced explanation of why I, a reliably Republican voter, was abandon the top of the ticket was a factor in Mrs. Clinton’s carrying the state. Nor was I as negative as that – I strongly defended her here in the e-mail thread, among others. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/32 "2016-11-09T21:53:04Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Bricker voted very reluctantly for Hillary. But if he wanted her to lose, he still has a victory, albeit perhaps not as great as one felt by someone who wanted Trump to win. On the grid of outcomes, as a purely intellectual exercise: ```auto =================================================== =1. Wanted Trump to win |2. Wanted Clinton to lose= ========================+========================== =3. Wanted Trump to lose|4. Wanted Clinton to win = =================================================== ``` …many Americans will fit into one box, some will fit into two, some will fit into none. If one was in box (1) or (2), one can claim a victory of sorts. I’m not sure how to evaluate whether the elation of being in box (1) is greater than the elation of being in box (2), or how either compare to the disappointment of being in box (4), but it is, in case, not just a straightforward matter of who one voted for. > [@](#): > > But despite that, Im not surprised about Bricker wanting to rub a few posters’ noses in this loss. Of course, a potential box (5) that says “Wanted SDMB liberals to be disappointed” must have charms all its own. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/33 "2016-11-09T22:00:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Despite several attempts over the years to discuss possible GOP presidents, **kaylasdad99** , you insisted instead that the prospect of such a thing was a paradox and “unacceptable,” and thereby implied it would never come to pass. > > Since we now seem on track to have it happen starting January 20th, 2017, I would like to revisit just precisely how you believe “unacceptable” will manifest itself. > > Some examples: > > (in response to a thread about a potential Romney win:) > > (in response to a question about an idealized GOP candidate:) > > (In response to my observation that when the Democrats are in the minority, they will “obstruct” and it won’t be criticized here:) > > (And in response to a question about Hillary Clinton’s notional opponent:) > > How does this “unacceptable” thing work, exactly? Well, unacceptable doesn’t mean impossible. It might men that kaylasdad won’t contemplate it because his mind would explode if he did. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/34 "2016-11-09T23:33:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t recall any other posters who issued decrees and edicts of unacceptibility, which were offered up in seeming seriousness whenever there was an effort to discuss a notional future Republican president. I’m now asking how, specifically, the decree and the edict play out in future discussions. The dam having broken with Trump, is the decree still in effect or can future GOP presidents be discussed, at least as mathematical possibilities? Generally, when I encounter a poster who offers strident declarations without any reasonable support, I move the poster to my list of persons regarding whom I “consider the source.” Calling out one poster for unsupported opinions does look like an effort at gloating or other pointless activity and I am considering moving this thread to [The BBQ Pit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?f=5) where similar exchanges are more appropriate. If I see an actual debate evolving from this thread, I may leave it here, but the prognosis is not good, currently. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/35 "2016-11-09T23:49:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Perhaps – but as a Virginia voter, I choose to believe that my nuanced explanation of why I, a reliably Republican voter, was abandon the top of the ticket was a factor in Mrs. Clinton’s carrying the state. > > Nor was I as negative as that – I strongly defended her here in the e-mail thread, among others. Virginia was projected to go very strongly for Clinton. It gave a bit of a scare early on when it was running red. Didn’t end up mattering, of course. You could very well also attribute the unexpected closeness of the race to your attitude. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/36 "2016-11-10T00:03:49Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Is this how the intellectual right wing gloats? Minutely parsing of the sentences of their opponents for inconsistencies while all the time writing with a feigned air of civility? > > I find your attempt at a meaningful gotcha to be paradoxical. Do you think you are winning hearts and minds here? No, but it IS the way **Bricker** gloats. Petty minutiae are the Counselor’s manna from Heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/37 "2016-11-10T00:12:39Z")
Any number of posters on this MB have asserted that there is no chance that any Republican will ever win a presidential race again, due to demographic trends. I don’t have the interest or energy to go about searching for them, though. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/38 "2016-11-10T00:24:32Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Any number of posters on this MB have asserted that there is no chance that any Republican will ever win a presidential race again, due to demographic trends. I don’t have the interest or energy to go about searching for them, though. Shame on those as-yet-unnamed posters, then, for being incorrect about something. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/39 "2016-11-10T01:29:05Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Shame on those as-yet-unnamed posters, then, for being incorrect about something. Shame on anyone who believes there is value in offering up confident assetions about future events and being unaccountable when they don’t materialize. I am arguing here that being accountable for your claims improves the quality of factual debate. It transforms empty puffery into something that requires genuine thought and measured response. It’s why I ask people to bet – when there’s no cost to being wrong, their debate positions are extreme, and when they face a real cost for being wrong, their debate positions become more evidence based. This is why I am not calling out everyone who predicted a Clinton victory. That position was wrong but evidence-based. The position that never again could a Republican be elected President was not. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/40 "2016-11-10T01:32:34Z")
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