# kaylasdad99: "It is unacceptable for America to ever again have a Republican as President." Well? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254 "2016-11-09T19:18:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/41 "2016-11-10T01:37:51Z")
Did you miss the post above where **kaylasdad** explained he didn’t mean impossible when he said “paradoxical,” and that he withdraws his comments about paradoxicality? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/42 "2016-11-10T02:18:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Shame on anyone who believes there is value in offering up confident assetions about future events and being unaccountable when they don’t materialize. Shame on _you_ for misunderstanding the concept of “accountability” in the context of this message board. The worst that could happen is you get taken less seriously by the other posters. Do you want there to be stronger consequences than that? Dream on, bub. Maybe you can pray for your god to smite that person, or something. > [@](#): > > I am arguing here that being accountable for your claims improves the quality of factual debate. It transforms empty puffery into something that requires genuine thought and measured response. You can get\* lots \*of non-puffery, genuine thought and measured response on this board because this board encourages it, not because there’s some penalty for presenting the opposite. Somehow I have my doubts this calling-out of a particular user is going to get you what you claim to want. It’s practically a Pit thread by design. > [@](#): > > It’s why I ask people to bet – when there’s no cost to being wrong, their debate positions are extreme, and when they face a real cost for being wrong, their debate positions become more evidence based. So did you ask kaylasdad to bet that there wouldn’t be another Republican administration? I would be rather unshocked if he ignored such a proposal. By the way, I suspect our standing $2 bet regarding Wisconsin abortion law has shifted a little in your favour in light of recent events, but no big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/43 "2016-11-10T02:28:44Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Is this how the intellectual right wing gloats? Minutely parsing of the sentences of their opponents for inconsistencies while all the time writing with a feigned air of civility? Well, DUH. Did you just fall off a turnip truck? This horseshit goes back to Buckley. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/44 "2016-11-10T02:36:21Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > To be fair to **Bricker** , that fact that I called it a paradox can be reasonably construed as an implication of impossibility. See? Accountable. > [@](#): > > I hereby withdraw portions of any of my statements that characterized a Republican victory in a presidential election as “paradoxical.” > > It’s still unacceptable. And I consider it to be a crime against humanity. Perpetrated by individuals who actively hate America and what she purports to stand for. Especially in the current instance. Well, I didn’t vote for him, and I’m not happy he won. But I’m not prepared to compare it to actual crimes against humanity. Still, that’s an opinion; I won’t quibble. You at least now acknowledge that it could happen. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/45 "2016-11-10T02:53:18Z")
I propose that if an actual crime against humanity takes place under Trump’s administration, all posters who are now cheering his election have their “member” tags changed to “quisling.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/46 "2016-11-10T03:19:16Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Shame on _you_ for misunderstanding the concept of “accountability” in the context of this message board. The worst that could happen is you get taken less seriously by the other posters. Do you want there to be stronger consequences than that? Dream on, bub. Maybe you can pray for your god to smite that person, or something. The problem with that sanction is that it’s applied unevenly. As to a liberal’s preidction that insists some aspect of liberal orthodoxy will happen – and then doesn’t – there is no real danger. No one minds: your heart was in the right place. You can gain the rhetorical benefit of confident prediction during the period of uncertainty, and then a pass. I seek to correct that. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/47 "2016-11-10T03:20:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I propose that if an actual crime against humanity takes place under Trump’s administration, all posters who are now cheering his election have their “member” tags changed to “quisling.” That would be an example of accountability, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/48 "2016-11-10T03:21:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The problem with that sanction is that it’s applied unevenly. As to a liberal’s preidction that insists some aspect of liberal orthodoxy will happen – and then doesn’t – there is no real danger. No one minds: your heart was in the right place. You can gain the rhetorical benefit of confident prediction during the period of uncertainty, and then a pass. > > I seek to correct that. The beauty of making up a problem, is that you can assure yourself that the solution is going swimmingly. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/49 "2016-11-10T03:21:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It’s unacceptable to grab a woman by her pussy. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen. It’s not paradoxical, though, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/50 "2016-11-10T03:24:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s not paradoxical, though, is it? Are you trying to accountable me, counselor? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/51 "2016-11-10T03:52:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The problem with that sanction is that it’s applied unevenly. As to a liberal’s preidction that insists some aspect of liberal orthodoxy will happen – and then doesn’t – there is no real danger. No one minds: your heart was in the right place. You can gain the rhetorical benefit of confident prediction during the period of uncertainty, and then a pass. > > I seek to correct that. Well, I’m sure those windmills will regret the day they met YOU. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/52 "2016-11-10T04:11:41Z")
The accountability explanation doesn’t wash, because **kaylasdad** is not remotely accountable to **Bricker**. **Bricker** is not his boss. **kaylasdad** is not in some public position and **Bricker** is not his constituent. They have made no contract, implied or otherwise, that one will do something for the other–thus assigning accountability among equals. He may want people to be accountable for select predictions, but **Bricker** has no authority by which to demand said accountability. **kaylasdad** is not accountable to him. Only the mods, if they so chose, could make it a requirement. What’s more, this is just how conversations work. People make incorrect predictions all the time. It is nearly universally regarded as a “jerk move” to then come out and say “I told you so.” The impropriety increases with the level of hurt the person experiences for being wrong. And Trump winning is hurtful to everyone. All this thread does is serve to make someone who is already hurting feel worse. It’s definitely not going to make people change how they predict things. In fact, I would guess it would have the opposite response. I sure have no intent of ever going back and apologizing for every single time I turn out to be obviously wrong. If you know I’m wrong, there’s no reason for me to say anything. There is no shame in being wrong, and nothing to apologize for unless what I said was hurtful. ---
**Author:** ![Randvek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Randvek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randvek)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/53 "2016-11-10T04:13:36Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > All this thread does is serve to make someone who is already hurting feel worse. I do not understand how this is supposed to make you feel any better. I would have thought that **Bricker** was above things like this. I’m sorry I was wrong. Hopefully he won’t make a post gloating about how wrong I was. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/54 "2016-11-10T04:30:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That would be an example of accountability, to be sure. Your input is noted, but I was looking for someone to second the motion, not just point out the obvious fact that it was written in clear English with clear intent. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/55 "2016-11-10T04:41:11Z")
Just wanted to quickly say that I really appreciate **Shodan** behaving with such comportment and class. I’ve been incredibly impressed with how he’s reacted to the election here on the boards and I think that’s to be lauded, certainly in light of how some others are conducting themselves. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/56 "2016-11-10T04:50:20Z")
Aye. **Shodan** has been very cool. So has **octopus** , somehow. Thanks to both of you and to **joyfool** for reminding the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/57 "2016-11-10T05:34:31Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Aye. **Shodan** has been very cool. So has **octopus** , somehow. Thanks to both of you and to **joyfool** for reminding the rest of us. For what it’s worth, I totally agree. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/58 "2016-11-10T06:17:59Z")
**kaylasdad99** is the only poster I can recall who is of the stated belief that a person has to be evil in order to be a Republican in the first place. So it’s not surprising he would find it unacceptable that any of this evil lot should serve as president. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/59 "2016-11-10T15:20:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Shame on those as-yet-unnamed posters, then, for being incorrect about something. Beyond the points made by Bricker in response, the real point is that these confident predictions keep on coming. People make assertions about what will or won’t happen and when these are upended they forget about it and just move on to new equally confident predictions about what will or won’t happen. So when an occasion arises that you can show the fallibility of predictions that seemed infallible at the time they were made, there’s some value in pointing that out. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254/60 "2016-11-10T15:39:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > **kaylasdad99** is the only poster I can recall who is of the stated belief that a person has to be evil in order to be a Republican in the first place. So it’s not surprising he would find it unacceptable that any of this evil lot should serve as president. **Der Trihs** , maybe? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kaylasdad99-it-is-unacceptable-for-america-to-ever-again-have-a-republican-as-president-well/771254.md?page=4)