# KC Chiefs Fans: What are your feelings on Andy Reid? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 5, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164 "2013-01-05T16:02:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/1 "2013-01-05T16:02:41Z")
As a long-time Philly guy, I am curious how Chiefs fans feel about Andy Reid coming in and running the operation… what are your feelings, thoughts, predictions? ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/2 "2013-01-06T03:34:59Z")
My prediction is that he is going to be welcomed into town with open arms and hailed as the Greatest Coach For Our Town Ever! And then, when he can’t put together a winning team for whatever reason (GM, relationship with Clark Hunt, or the Chiefs inability to pick well in the draft, or what-have-you), he will be vilified and cursed. Romeo Crennel was widely seen as the Great Savior when he stepped in late in the season in 2011 and won the last 3 games. And by October of 2012, people were wearing bags over their heads at the Chiefs game. Personally, I’m not happy about the choice, but not because of anything Andy Reid has done or not done. I’m not happy because it seems like we are picking up a coach who was fired, rather than going out and trying to woo a coach from a winning team. Scott Pioli was horrible for the Chiefs, but I think a lot of the problems are pointing back to the owner, Clark Hunt. I have been a Chiefs fan since I moved to KC in 1992, and have seen the Chiefs during some good years and during the horrid debacle of the last few years. Sadly, I have to say that it is tragic to think that the Schottenheimer years would be known as “the good ol’ days”. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/3 "2013-01-07T15:44:40Z")
I’m no more than a minor Chiefs fan at this point, having pretty much given up on the NFL. However my reaction is a pretty emphatic ‘meh’. It seems clear that this is “get the established winning coach” play. Which only works if the coach is actually really good (which Reid is not) and the team has some talent (which the Chiefs do not). I predict it will end poorly. ---
**Author:** ![chargerrich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chargerrich/32/5399_2.png) [@chargerrich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chargerrich)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/4 "2013-01-07T18:29:54Z")
Is probably a good fit because he at least knows you need a QB to even attempt to compete. That said, I think Reid is a bit overrated, has some personal issues, cannot coach a lick of defense, is way to “player friendly”, sucks at clock management and needs to get his health under control to even hope to fulfill a 5 year contract! On the upside, every KC BBQ owner is rejoicing his arrival. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/5 "2016-01-18T17:05:11Z")
just curious how this resonates a few years later. 1-5 start, followed by an incredible run of 11 straight wins, but ultimately failed by his own [inability to manage the clock](http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/features/nfl-playoffs-time-is-a-flat-circle-but-andy-reid-still-f--ks-it-up-20160118). ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/6 "2016-01-18T17:12:03Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > but ultimately failed by his own inability to manage the clock. Wasn’t that a knock against him in Philadelphia as well? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/7 "2016-01-18T17:19:13Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Wasn’t that a knock against him in Philadelphia as well? Sure was. And a tendency to be [baffling and opaque with the media](http://nesn.com/2016/01/andy-reid-downplays-chiefs-brutal-clock-management-we-went-hurry-up-offense/) after controversial clock-related events. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/8 "2016-01-19T04:36:54Z")
I remember the end of the 2012 season when that idiot Steve Mariucci wagging his finger at the TV and lecturing Philadelphia football fans we would rue the day Andy Reid was fired; and Brian Bullock piling on saying you will not find a better NFL coach than Reid. Now, Kansas City and I think the rest of the fans around the country are starting to get why we bitched about him for so long. Great game planner, leader of men, and will do enough to get you into the playoffs. But for some reason after 17 years he still cant figure out to manage the damn clock. Andy Reid will never, ever win a Super Bowl. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/9 "2016-01-19T05:01:47Z")
Is there are reason he doesn’t delegate play-calling to an OC who does understand clock management? Because aside from that, I think he really is a pretty good head coach. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/10 "2016-01-19T14:29:07Z")
Because Andy Reid doesn’t think he is bad at clock management, and he is actually pretty good at calling plays himself. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/11 "2016-01-19T16:24:34Z")
Poor clock management is VERY common in the league. It’s just didn’t ping the radar much on mediocre to bad teams in the regular season. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/12 "2016-01-19T17:06:54Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Poor clock management is VERY common in the league. It’s just didn’t ping the radar much on mediocre to bad teams in the regular season. Sure, but there’s nobody who’s as consistently bad at it as Reid is. What makes it worse is what **Stringer** mentioned - that Reid doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with the way he operates. Compare a recap of [the Chiefs’ final drive this weekend](http://deadspin.com/andy-reid-is-still-andy-reid-1753600911) to the fourth quarter of the [2004 Super Bowl](http://deadspin.com/5972253/andy-reid-good-enough-to-make-you-hate-him-for-how-bad-he-was). What we saw on Saturday is the same thing that happened 12 years ago, and the same thing that happened at the end of any number of lower-profile games over the 17 years he’s been a head coach. But look at the quote at the end of that first link: > [@Andy Reid](#): > > We potentially would have had three timeouts and an opportunity to drive the field, which I thought was huge. It would have put us in a perfect situation to do that. We work on that every week. So I thought that part was handled right. > > When it was all said and done, we had plenty of clock to take care of business. Reid isn’t going to stop mismanaging the clock until somebody makes him stop, and I can’t see KC’s front office trying to put restrictions on a coach who’s gone 31-17 with a team that was 2-14 the year before he took over. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/13 "2016-01-19T17:25:14Z")
I’m saying Reid is just as bad as everybody else. It only looks worse because he’s good enough to get to the playoffs before it bites him in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![ReticulatingSplines](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e274bd/32.png) [@ReticulatingSplines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReticulatingSplines)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/14 "2016-01-19T18:21:41Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > I’m saying Reid is just as bad as everybody else. It only looks worse because he’s good enough to get to the playoffs before it bites him in the ass. No. It looks worse because he IS worse than everybody else. Does any other HC in the league need to [assign someone to take away his challenge flag](http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4691579-andy-reid-challenge-flag-play-call-chiefs-patriots-playoff-2015)so he doesn’t throw it in the last two minutes? Reid seems genuinely unaware of the clock, ever. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/15 "2016-01-19T18:48:27Z")
Heard on a podcast that there have been hundreds of teams beginning a drive down two scores in the fourth quarter…and this was the single longest such drive that they could find. Ever. In the history of the modern NFL. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/16 "2016-01-19T19:41:46Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > I’m saying Reid is just as bad as everybody else. It only looks worse because he’s good enough to get to the playoffs before it bites him in the ass. No way. Reid is bad because genuinely thinks he’s doing the right thing. Most NFL coaches would be horrified to handle an attempted comeback the way Reid did on Saturday, but Reid doesn’t think he did anything wrong. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/17 "2016-01-19T21:11:14Z")
Apparently the (former) OC was the one calling all the plays at the end. So… good luck Eagles? [http://deadspin.com/new-eagles-coach-doug-pederson-immediately-grilled-abou-1753842206](http://deadspin.com/new-eagles-coach-doug-pederson-immediately-grilled-abou-1753842206) ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/18 "2016-01-19T23:11:26Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > No way. Reid is bad because genuinely thinks he’s doing the right thing. Most NFL coaches would be horrified to handle an attempted comeback the way Reid did on Saturday, but Reid doesn’t think he did anything wrong. I agree with your assessment of Reid’s lack of humility, but unfortunately I think he is not too much worse than most coaches in that regard. That said, Reid is one of hose coaches that makes me seriously wonder whether a supercomputer would be a better than average coach in the NFL. There are just so many really dumb play calls by humans that make me think a disciplined program that learns from its and others mistakes would get better results. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/19 "2016-01-20T15:47:38Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Apparently the (former) OC was the one calling all the plays at the end. So… good luck Eagles? > > [http://deadspin.com/new-eagles-coach-doug-pederson-immediately-grilled-abou-1753842206](http://deadspin.com/new-eagles-coach-doug-pederson-immediately-grilled-abou-1753842206) It gets worse. Here’s what Pederson had to say about that: > [@](#): > > “It took us time because, No. 1, we did not want to give Tom Brady the ball back," said Pederson, the Chiefs’ offensive coordinator for the past three seasons before being hired by the Eagles. “We knew we were going to score. We knew we had timeouts and time. We were also limited with the number of receivers. Jeremy Maclin was out of the game at the time. We were down numbers. We felt like at that point (it would have been a mistake) to give the ball back to Tom Brady. > > “We still had timeouts and time even with the onside kick to put ourselves in a position to win the football game." It’s like he was unaware that they needed to score twice. Everything he says makes perfect sense if they were down 8 or less. Good luck, Eagles. You ran Andy Reid out of town, and now you hired a junior Andy Reid. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164/20 "2016-01-20T16:04:28Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Good luck, Eagles. You ran Andy Reid out of town, and now you hired a junior Andy Reid. With Jeff Lurie at the helm and Howie Roseman still involved in player-personnel decisions, a wide-eyed Reid-worshipping foot-soldier is exactly what this organization wanted… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kc-chiefs-fans-what-are-your-feelings-on-andy-reid/646164.md?page=2)