# Keir Starmer tries to lead the UK **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 6, 2024, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805 "2024-07-06T06:46:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/201 "2025-01-09T14:33:14Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > “Badenoch accused the PM of not wanting questions asked “of Labour politicians who may be complicit” in previous cases”. This is just straight up defamatory. She must think she’s still on X. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/202 "2025-01-09T14:34:24Z")
Excerpt from the Alexis Jay report Executive summary… “By far the majority of perpetrators were described as ‘Asian’ by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so”. Whoever were complicit … politicians, police, elected officials at lower levels be they Tory or Labour or Reform or anyone else should be jailed for life for this most heinous of crimes. Child sexual abuse on this scale(or any scale for that matter) should not be tolerated at all. Perpetrators if they are not UK citizens should be deported asap. Cultural sensitivities be damned…child rape is the most evil any one can imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/203 "2025-01-09T14:35:24Z")
The Alexis Jay report is a publicly available document. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/204 "2025-01-09T14:38:50Z")
I’m glad you’re a fan. This is the same Alexis Jay who has stated this week that there does not need to be a new national enquiry, and that victims just want action - which aligns with the Government’s position. Here: [Victims want action, child abuse inquiry chair Alexis Jay says - BBC News](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp836w074gko) ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/205 "2025-01-09T14:40:22Z")
I am for sure not saying Starmer or Jess or Labour or Kemi or anyone are complicit or gulity. But this has been put under the carpet for too long. Act for godamms sake atleast now and take the strictest actions on the perpetrators and those involved in the coverup whoever they may be irrespective of party or ideology. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/206 "2025-01-09T14:41:29Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > This is the same Alexis Jay who has stated this week that there does not need to be a new national enquiry, and that victims just want action - which aligns with the Government’s position. Here: [Victims want action, child abuse inquiry chair Alexis Jay says - BBC News](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp836w074gko) Then act on the Alexis Jay original report…dont brush it under the carpet. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/207 "2025-01-09T14:42:34Z")
It has been put under the carpet by the previous administration (Hi Kemi!), and the present Government is taking action (Hi Kier/Jess!). Keep up! ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/208 "2025-01-09T14:43:50Z")
Great…waiting to see the perpetrators named,shamed and jailed. And non uk citizens if any among the perpetrators should be kicked out. Britain is too civilised a country to tolerate child rapists. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/209 "2025-01-09T14:45:05Z")
Pity your pal Kemi is trying to block new [child safety legislation](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgngd52z71o). ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/210 "2025-01-09T14:47:04Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > Then act on the Alexis Jay original report…dont brush it under the carpet. You appear to be demanding that the government continues to successfully implement its preferred and stated policy. Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/211 "2025-01-09T14:47:48Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > Pity your pal Kemi is trying to block new [child safety legislation](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgngd52z71o). Kemi is not my pal nor is Starmer. Shame on the Tories for sitting on reports and not acting. Now that Labour are in power, act for heavens sake. ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/212 "2025-01-09T14:47:55Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > The Alexis Jay report is a publicly available document. [https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report/executive-summary.html](https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report/executive-summary.html) No mention of the word Asian in this executive summary. Are you confusing the 2022 Jay report with the earlier report that was specific to Rotherham? ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/213 "2025-01-09T14:49:53Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > You appear to be demanding that the government continues to successfully implement its preferred and stated policy. Is that right? Sorry i just cant think of child rape and be normal or sane. I hope the perpetrators whoever thay are irrespective of color, nationality or religion are put behind bars for life. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/214 "2025-01-09T14:53:20Z")
> [@JacobSwan](#): > > No mention of the word Asian in this executive summary. Are you confusing the 2022 Jay report with the earlier report that was specific to Rotherham? This is not the Alexis Jay report executive summary. May be one of the other reports. I have downloaded the Alexis Jay report executive summary (Rotherham I think)but cannot upload it here. It says in the report it can be found at [www.rotherham.gov.uk/inquiry](http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/inquiry) ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/215 "2025-01-09T14:59:29Z")
It’s the latest report by professor Jay and is the one with the recommendations that were ignored by the Tories. The Rotherham report is a much earlier report and specific to that area only. The one I linked to is the relevant one that everyone is talking about. Do try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/216 "2025-01-09T15:01:19Z")
> [@JacobSwan](#): > > The Rotherham report is a much earlier report and specific to that area only. So what…Rotherham child rapists as mentioned in the 2014 report to be ignored ? The Rotherham council acknowledged it and apologised to the victims. Just an apology and no jail to the rapists ? I’m appalled…10 years and no punishments yet. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/217 "2025-01-09T15:04:44Z")
The ones [Kier Starmer-appointed prosecutor Nazir Afzal](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgn2wvxx5qo) saw jailed when he served as CPS Chief Prosecutor for the north, you mean? [Sky TV](https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gangs-scandal-timeline-what-happened-what-inquiries-there-were-and-how-starmer-was-involved-after-elon-musks-accusations-13285021) has a comprehensive timeline of prosecutions (with jail time, yippee!). ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/218 "2025-01-09T15:08:57Z")
> **[What is Keir Starmer's record on prosecuting grooming gangs?](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgn2wvxx5qo)** > > The prime minister has come under attack from Elon Musk over his record as director of public prosecutions. "A 2013 report from the Home Affairs Committee said that “unlike many other official agencies implicated in this issue”, the CPS had “readily admitted that victims had been let down by them and have attempted both to discover the cause of this systematic failure and to improve the way things are done so as to avoid a repetition of such events”. It added: “Mr Starmer has striven to improve the treatment of victims of sexual assault within the criminal justice system throughout his term as Director of Public Prosecution (DPP).” Maggie Oliver, a former Manchester detective who now campaigns for victims of child sex abuse, told BBC Verify that the CPS “bear a great deal of responsibility for the failures around this issue”, including bringing inadequate charges and blaming victims. She added that while there was now much more awareness around the issue, “in my foundation we still see individual cases subjected to massive failures in the systems”. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/219 "2025-01-09T15:09:46Z")
CPS admits victims have been let down by them What is this…bringing inadequate charges and blaming victims ? ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805/220 "2025-01-09T15:11:01Z")
News at Ten! We all know this, otherwise it would never have been national news and wouldn’t have needed any enquiries at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keir-starmer-tries-to-lead-the-uk/1003805.md?page=12)