# Keith Olbermann should kill himself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 17, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756 "2009-05-17T16:36:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/61 "2009-05-18T00:25:37Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > I believe there was noise about it in Texas and Georgia. Speaking of the Texas talk of secession Olbermann’s smack down of the Texas governor for that kind of talk was a classic: ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3DJKpsUq9IY/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/3DJKpsUq9IY?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/62 "2009-05-18T00:38:35Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > He’s a HELL of a lot better looking than Rush though – you gotta admit that. > > 😉 That I’ll give you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/63 "2009-05-18T00:41:53Z")
Has Olbermann ever been arrested with someone else’s Viagra in his suitcase? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/64 "2009-05-18T00:44:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If two people are on opposite ends of a political spectrum, and the person on one side is a self-serving hypocritical blowhard, does that automatically make the person on the other side a self-serving hypocritical blowhard? No, what unites them is that they are self-serving hypocritical blowhards. It’s funny that the only argument that people can come up with to defend Olbermann is that he’s not as skilled at it as Limbaugh. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/65 "2009-05-18T00:49:25Z")
_::::tap tap tap::::_ [**Is this thing on?**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11149929&postcount=22) _:::still waiting:::_ ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/66 "2009-05-18T00:50:35Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > No, what unites them is that they are self-serving hypocritical blowhards. It’s funny that the only argument that people can come up with to defend Olbermann is that he’s not as skilled at it as Limbaugh. :rolleyes: Nope, nope, that is not it either… Must. Try. Harder. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/67 "2009-05-18T00:55:08Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > No, what unites them is that they are self-serving hypocritical blowhards. It’s funny that the only argument that people can come up with to defend Olbermann is that he’s not as skilled at it as Limbaugh. :rolleyes: Nope, that was not my only argument also, but thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/68 "2009-05-18T01:10:40Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > _::::tap tap tap::::_ > > [**Is this thing on?**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11149929&postcount=22) > > _:::still waiting:::_ See post #41. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/69 "2009-05-18T01:20:21Z")
Thing is, whether KO is obnoxious and self-righteous or whatever, he is mostly telling the truth. The Rushbot? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/70 "2009-05-18T01:39:02Z")
This whole thread is a [bald eagle abortion.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=517935) ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/71 "2009-05-18T01:42:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Thing is, whether KO is obnoxious and self-righteous or whatever, he is mostly telling the truth. The Rushbot? Not so much. The truth = What **elucidator** agrees with of course. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/72 "2009-05-18T02:09:08Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The truth = What **elucidator** agrees with of course. I don’t understand this. Surely everyone agrees with what they think is the truth? I’d find it pretty hard to agree with something I consider a lie, in all honesty, and pretty hard to disagree with something I thought was a truth, too. What lies do _you_ agree with? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/73 "2009-05-18T02:23:03Z")
In this case, **'lucy** is simply pointing out that Olbermann is at least factually accurate. His conclusions _from_ the facts might be tendentious and often overblown, but he at least isn’t making up the facts themselves. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/74 "2009-05-18T02:25:08Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I don’t understand this. Surely everyone agrees with what they think is the truth? I’d find it pretty hard to agree with something I consider a lie, in all honesty, and pretty hard to disagree with something I thought was a truth, too. > > What lies do _you_ agree with? I hear Conservatives speak about how Rush Limbaugh speaks the truth also. More than likely MOST of what each of them says is true. We overblow the whole, “The other side is lying.”, meme. All serious partisans think their party is the forces of good and the other is the forces of evil. Whatever. It’s all cheesy bullshit. Keith Olbermann is an obnoxious polemicist, Rush Limbaugh is an obnoxious polemicist. I don’t watch either. I’ll watch Rachel Maddow cuz she’s kind of hot and not nearly as obnoxious. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/75 "2009-05-18T02:27:17Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > In this case, **'lucy** is simply pointing out that Olbermann is at least factually accurate. His conclusions _from_ the facts might be tendentious and often overblown, but he at least isn’t making up the facts themselves. Ok, then here’s a challenge for you. Please give me ten examples of Rush Limbaugh straight up inventing the facts. One rule though, each example has to be on a unique topic. Like you can’t come up with two related lies about Waterboarding or two related lies about WMDs in Iraq. Ten unique lies. It should be rather easy. If you can do that easily with a little bit of Google-Fu then I’ll give the idea that Rush is A LOT more dishonest than Olbermann. I’m already willing to believe he’s a ‘little’ more dishonest, but really they are both sensationalist TV personalities that represent everything that is wrong with the media IMV. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/76 "2009-05-18T02:32:25Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Ok, then here’s a challenge for you. Please give me ten examples of Rush Limbaugh straight up inventing the facts. One rule though, each example has to be on a unique topic. Like you can’t come up with two related lies about Waterboarding or two related lies about WMDs in Iraq. Ten unique lies. It should be rather easy. If you can do that easily with a little bit of Google-Fu then I’ll give the idea that Rush is A LOT more dishonest than Olbermann. I’m already willing to believe he’s a ‘little’ more dishonest, but really they are both sensationalist TV personalities that represent everything that is wrong with the media IMV. I was thinking about Hannity, actually. I haven’t listened to Limbaugh in years, and make no claim one way or the other about his factual accuracy. ETA, [here’s a list of Limbaugh lies](http://mediamatters.org/research/200502180006) from mediamatters. From the first hit on a Google search of “Rush Limbaugh lies.” ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/77 "2009-05-18T02:37:20Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I hear Conservatives speak about how Rush Limbaugh speaks the truth also. Surely the difference lies in the fact that those listeners probably have a different idea of what the truth of situations are? That’s kind of the thing with political viewpoints, after all. The idea that most of what each says is true relies on the idea that mostly Olbermann and Limbaugh are in agreement, and that’s really not the sense I get from hearing about them. Your point to **elucidator** still doesn’t make any sense to me. Who agrees with things they consider lies? How on Earth would you agree with something you think’s a lie - by the very nature of considering it a lie you must disagree with it. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/78 "2009-05-18T02:56:14Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > Surely the difference lies in the fact that those listeners probably have a different idea of what the truth of situations are? That’s kind of the thing with political viewpoints, after all. The idea that most of what each says is true relies on the idea that mostly Olbermann and Limbaugh are in agreement, and that’s really not the sense I get from hearing about them. > > Your point to **elucidator** still doesn’t make any sense to me. Who agrees with things they consider lies? How on Earth would you agree with something you think’s a lie - by the very nature of considering it a lie you must disagree with it. My point is that I often hear people considering an honest difference of opinion to be a lie. Or people thinking that someone who agrees with them on a lot of things is a good honest bloke. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/79 "2009-05-18T02:58:47Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I was thinking about Hannity, actually. I haven’t listened to Limbaugh in years, and make no claim one way or the other about his factual accuracy. > > ETA, [here’s a list of Limbaugh lies](http://mediamatters.org/research/200502180006) from mediamatters. From the first hit on a Google search of “Rush Limbaugh lies.” I clicked on every link on that page and they were all 404 errors. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/80 "2009-05-18T03:00:38Z")
But while we are grabbing links for highly partisan sites that happen to be the first google link under So and So Lies. [http://olbermannwatch.com/](http://olbermannwatch.com/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756.md?page=5)