# Keith Olbermann should kill himself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 17, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756 "2009-05-17T16:36:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/141 "2009-05-18T21:44:37Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Of course not. Why would I bother? Is your definition of socialism “that which produces value”? No, it’s government control of the means of production, as I said before. A government run and operated civil service corp is a part of the means of production and competes with private firms who compete because they cannot provide things as cheaply as free labor. > [@](#): > > Obama is not a socialist. Obama is not “moving us toward socialism”. There is a _Social Democrat_ ethos to some of his proposed programs, but calling him a socialist because of the bailouts is like calling him a unilateralist because he’s going to cut the F-22 program: factually incorrect. Except his programs are socialistic and your example of unilateralist doesn’t even use the word Unilateralist properly. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/142 "2009-05-18T21:45:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Was too. 2.5% is more decisive than like 0.0001% or whatever it was in 2000. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/143 "2009-05-18T22:59:13Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > 2.5% is more decisive than like 0.0001% or whatever it was in 2000. Less stinky than shit is not rosy-smelling. And it was actually something like -.5%. Florida was .0000057% (approximately). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/144 "2009-05-19T00:06:17Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Except his programs are socialistic and your example of unilateralist doesn’t even use the word Unilateralist properly. That’s the point, dear. Do try to keep up. ETA: On further reflection it appears that most common meaning for unilateralist here is not the one I know, which is this one: [QUOTE=Wikipedia] In the UK, the term “unilateralism” is often used in the specific sense of “[support for] unilateral nuclear disarmament” [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Kiber](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kiber/32/317_2.png) [@Kiber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiber)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/145 "2009-05-19T00:13:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > . . .And I notice that as usual, you and your fellow dolts single out the most insignificant part of my post to take issue with. Why does that always seem to be the case…hmm? Well - I think it’s because . . . . . . . . . Oh wait, I see what you did. Now I have to guess if the part I quoted is sufficiently significant enough to respond to. I’d hate to mistakenly respond to the insignificant part again. Damn - now what do I do? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/146 "2009-05-19T00:49:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That’s the point, dear. Do try to keep up. Then it’s a bad example since I am using the word socialistic correctly. > [@](#): > > ETA: On further reflection it appears that most common meaning for unilateralist here is not the one I know, which is this one: Oh well I was thinking of it in terms of Bush’s unilateral foreign policy i.e. doing whatever the fuck he wants the rest of the world can go fuck themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/147 "2009-05-19T00:53:01Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Then it’s a bad example since I am using the word socialistic correctly. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, then. However, if you asked anyone in a socialist country or even a social-democratic country if Obama has socialistic tendencies, you’d get laughed at. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/148 "2009-05-19T00:54:20Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, then. However, if you asked anyone in a socialist country or even a social-democratic country if Obama has socialistic tendencies, you’d get laughed at. And the thing those Conservatives are worried about is becoming more like Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/149 "2009-05-19T03:15:52Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > And the thing those Conservatives are worried about is becoming more like Europe. And Europeans would say we’re not like them, so what’s the problem? Also, what the hell is so bad about Europe? ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/150 "2009-05-19T03:36:33Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > 2007 called. It wants its rant back. I think it wants its joke back, too. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/151 "2009-05-19T15:19:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I merely answered **Sampiro’s** question about why Hussein wouldn’t opt to use WMD on occupying U.S. forces rather than send them out of the country. > > I would think my second paragraph would have put the lie to the notion that I believed that Hussein smuggled WMD out of Iraq. > > Reading for comprehension rather than making knee-jerk assessments based upon who the poster happens to be would help you to avoid such mistakes in the future. Ummmm, people are still spouting that stuff about WMD’s aren’t they? AREN’T THEY? During WW2 there was a “theory” about propaganda, called The Big Lie or something. The general idea was, if you repeat something often enough, it eventually will become the truth. We still have people peddling that WMD shit. You may not believe it, but there are enough who do, and they elect / re elect the sort of people who created the “cover story” to begin with. When the “goods” never materialize, they just repeat their story louder and more often. And the sheeple gobble it all up. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/152 "2009-05-19T15:38:42Z")
Here’s a clip showing Hannity as the partisan hack he is. > **[Jesse Ventura Slams Sean Hannity, Who Actually Says America Is 'Better Off'...](https://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/jesse-ventura-destroys-sean-hannity-wh-0)** > > Jesse Ventura has been going on TV a lot lately because he's The parts I’m intersted are that Hannity says that the spending that Obama has made are all his, he won’t accept that they were at the very least in part reaction that stemed from issues from a previous admin. However when talking about 9/11 he doesn’t accept Bush had any responsibility whatsoever, it’s Clinton’s fault. There is no compromise to facts here. There is just Hannity going down the party line. No reading of the situations, no understanding, no admission that his boy did any wrong whatsoever. Olbermann is not like this. When he disagrees he says so as has been shown in this thread. He’s a **US** lefty of that there is no doubt but he’ll call a spade a spade. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/153 "2009-05-19T16:39:49Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Slight hijack, but I’ve noticed a resurgence in the "there _were_ If Saddam had WMDs (and to my regret I believed in the war in the early days); when the U.S. is shelling your country it’s probably not a good time to get rid of your super secret weapons, and when you’ve had to flee your capital, your sons and grandson have been killed in a gun battle, and you’re living in a hole in the ground near your birthplace, this would be a _really really really_ good time to use them. If you’re waiting for a rainy day I don’t think it’s going to get much wetter, nor do I think Saddam had them but decided not to use them because that would be mean and cause harm to people. Well stated. I’m curious if folks like **SA** really believe or are just participating in the Big Lie. My vote goes to the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/154 "2009-05-19T17:06:31Z")
He’s an epic cock who has been given the veneer of respectability by a compliant media. Everyone know’s Hannity is a partisan prick as well but he’s not afforded the unnecessary and undeserved respect that Olbermann has been. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/155 "2009-05-19T17:41:16Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Ummmm, people are still spouting that stuff about WMD’s aren’t they? AREN’T THEY? > > During WW2 there was a “theory” about propaganda, called The Big Lie or something. The general idea was, if you repeat something often enough, it eventually will become the truth. We still have people peddling that WMD shit. You may not believe it, but there are enough who do, and they elect / re elect the sort of people who created the “cover story” to begin with. When the “goods” never materialize, they just repeat their story louder and more often. And the sheeple gobble it all up. So what? That has nothing whatever to do with what I said to **Sampiro**. This board alleges to fight ignorance, yes, no? **Sampiro** wondered why, if Hussein had WMD, he didn’t use them while the U.S. was kicking his ass, killing his sons and so forth. I responded that according to my recollection, the WMD were alleged to have been smuggled out prior to the war’s beginning. Then you come charging in, claiming - as you pretty much still are - that I’m fostering "the “BIG LIE” that Hussein smuggled WMD into other countries. If you aren’t capable of making the types of distinctions that the conversation requires you should stay out of it. > [@PlainJain](#): > > I’m curious if folks like SA really believe or are just participating in the Big Lie. My vote goes to the latter. In that case your vote counts for nothing. Please see above. **Note to SteveG1:** Now see what you’ve done? You’ve gone and, through either your deliberate or erroneous assertions that I’ve been promoting the BIG LIE, made poor little **PlainJain** think I’m a bad guy. Thus you should take back your clearly wrongful reading of my comments. ETA: Oh, yeah! To the posters upthread quibbling over my use of ‘resounding’, this from M-W Online: [bolding mine] \*Main Entry: re·sound·ing Pronunciation: -ˈzau̇n-diŋ also -ˈsau̇n-\ Function: adjective Date: 15th century 1: producing or characterized by resonant sound : resonating 2 a: impressively sonorous b: emphatic, **unequivocal** \< **a resounding success** \> — re·sound·ing·ly adverb \* Note that GWB’s reelection was unequivocal, thus a resounding success. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/156 "2009-05-19T18:01:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So what? That has nothing whatever to do with what I said to **Sampiro**. > > This board alleges to fight ignorance, yes, no? > > **Sampiro** wondered why, if Hussein had WMD, he didn’t use them while the U.S. was kicking his ass, killing his sons and so forth. I responded that according to my recollection, the WMD were alleged to have been smuggled out prior to the war’s beginning. Then you come charging in, claiming - as you pretty much still are - that I’m fostering "the “BIG LIE” that Hussein smuggled WMD into other countries. > > If you aren’t capable of making the types of distinctions that the conversation requires you should stay out of it. > > In that case your vote counts for nothing. Please see above. > > **Note to SteveG1:** Now see what you’ve done? You’ve gone and, through either your deliberate or erroneous assertions that I’ve been promoting the BIG LIE, made poor little **PlainJain** think I’m a bad guy. Thus you should take back your clearly wrongful reading of my comments. > > ETA: Oh, yeah! To the posters upthread quibbling over my use of ‘resounding’, this from M-W Online: [bolding mine] > > \*Main Entry: re·sound·ing > Pronunciation: -ˈzau̇n-diŋ also -ˈsau̇n-\ > Function: adjective > Date: 15th century > 1: producing or characterized by resonant sound : resonating > 2 a: impressively sonorous b: emphatic, **unequivocal** \< **a resounding success** \> > — re·sound·ing·ly adverb \* > Note that GWB’s reelection was unequivocal, thus a resounding success. Right now, I’m just not in the mood to take anything back. Sorry about thyat. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Starving Artist > Limbaugh has just as much standing to allege that Obama is trying to exploit the recession as posters around here (ad infinitum) have to allege that Bush lied about Iraqi WMD. Both are based on personal opinion, political bias and personal observation, and both are voiced as absolute fact.. You apparently were going for some sort of “equivalency”, and it got my attention. Limbaugh blames all bad things on Obama and the liberals. You know, the liberal leftist conspiracy crap. No evidence, no proof, just wild accusations. As for WMD, first “they” swore up and down that they were there. Then they were hidden. Then they were somehow spirited out of the country. It’s just variations on a theme, and the theme is horse shit. Told so many times and so many ways, it has to be deliberate. Limbaugh has no standing. He is a pompous lying windbag. Hes not that smart either. He didn’t magically become smart until he got his little radio show. If he’s so smart and so “real”, let him go to Washington and fix everything. Or anything. He won’t because he is a professional bullshit artist. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/157 "2009-05-19T18:14:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > \*Main Entry: re·sound·ing > Pronunciation: -ˈzau̇n-diŋ also -ˈsau̇n-\ > Function: adjective > Date: 15th century > 1: producing or characterized by resonant sound : resonating > 2 a: impressively sonorous b: emphatic, **unequivocal** \< **a resounding success** \> > — re·sound·ing·ly adverb \* > Note that GWB’s reelection was unequivocal, thus a resounding success. By that standard, me getting out of bed this morning was a resounding success, since I actually did it. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/158 "2009-05-19T18:15:44Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > By that standard, me getting out of bed this morning was a resounding success, since I actually did it. That’s the spirit, **Capt. Carrot**! Although it really should be “my getting out of bed.” ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/159 "2009-05-19T18:18:48Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > By that standard, me getting out of bed this morning was a resounding success, since I actually did it. Maybe this definition [captures the full meaning](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/resounding) of the word as people actually use it and interpret it: > [@](#): > > 1. impressively thorough or complete Also note that the M-W definition is not merely unequivocal, but also emphatic (both words are part of definition 2b). I would not characterize GWB’s 2004 win as “emphatic,” but, hey, YMMV and all that. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756/160 "2009-05-19T18:38:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …ETA: Oh, yeah! To the posters upthread quibbling over my use of ‘resounding’, this from M-W Online: [bolding mine] > > \*Main Entry: re·sound·ing > Pronunciation: -ˈzau̇n-diŋ also -ˈsau̇n-\ > Function: adjective > Date: 15th century > 1: producing or characterized by resonant sound : resonating > 2 a: impressively sonorous b: emphatic, **unequivocal** \< **a resounding success** \> > — re·sound·ing·ly adverb \* > Note that GWB’s reelection was unequivocal, thus a resounding success. You do a great weasel impersonation. And I do mean that sincerely. The “quibble” wasn’t just about your use of the word “resounding” but rather your disingenuous use of qualifiers when comparing Bush’s '04 MOV vs Obamba’s. Thus if Bush’s MOV, in your wingnut parlance, equates to “a resounding success,” you’d be hard-pressed to explain how Obama’s runaway victory could be qualified as “merely by” or “just.” To wit: [Adv. 1. only - and nothing more; “I was merely asking”; “it is simply a matter of time”; “just a scratch”; “he was only a child”; “hopes that last but a moment” but, just, merely, simply](http://www.tfd.com/only) Of course, you already knew this. But as I said, you come as close to a weasel as is humanly possible. Kudos for that. Again. Right. Having come to terms with the immortality of the King Crab and the mortality of my own toenails, I am now involved in the time-consuming process of re-inventing dynamite. So I offer you my profuse apologies if I don’t respond to your next [del]turd[/del] post, posthaste. * * * Oh and **'luc**? Admit it, you’re just jealous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keith-olbermann-should-kill-himself/496756.md?page=9)