# Kel Varnsen - Latex Division, you scare the living fuck outta me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2004, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486 "2004-12-12T19:54:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/41 "2004-12-13T00:44:34Z")
Thank you **EJsGirl** and everyone else for pointing that out to him too. Not all men (or women) are like that of course, but there are enough to take significant notice. Also, sometimes the events that help to perpetuate the change are unforeseeable. Loss of loved one or livelihood, debilitation, long-term illness, other stressful situations that one might not be able to cope with (like a special needs child, bankruptcy, you name it). So to make it sound like there is _always_ evidence up front that the woman should be held responsible for is ludicrous at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Oh, and upon re-reading, I see that my previous comment could be construed as sexist or homophobic. My utmost apologies. I had no intention whatsoever of only making my case against one rather than the other. I just got lost while responding to his specific dig and never brought the train back full circle into the station. Therefore that sentence should have also applied across the board, despite of sex or orientation. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/42 "2004-12-13T00:54:12Z")
> [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > Fundies don’t believe in evolution. I do. Funides don’t believe a woman should be able to have an abortion. I do. Etc. Wonderful to know that in your bombastic, antiquated, misogynistic world that we’re _allowed_ to take care of something for ourselves without relying on superior knowledge from our husbands or religion. God bless you kind sir. Should I salve your feet with luxuriant oils now or after I’ve fed you grapes while entertaining half-nude dancing girls? You know my only goal in life is to serve your needs. Don’t worry your pretty little head. Mama has it all under control. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/43 "2004-12-13T01:00:44Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Thank you **EJsGirl** and everyone else for pointing that out to him too. Not all men (or women) are like that of course, but there are enough to take significant notice. Also, sometimes the events that help to perpetuate the change are unforeseeable. Loss of loved one or livelihood, debilitation, long-term illness, other stressful situations that one might not be able to cope with (like a special needs child, bankruptcy, you name it). So to make it sound like there is _always_ evidence up front that the woman should be held responsible for is ludicrous at best and willfully ignorant at worst. It should also be pointed out that most abusers (male or female) rarely start out as physically abusive. It frequently starts out as emotional and psychological abuse, and when the physical abuse finally begins, the victim frequently believes they are at fault for the abuse. There’s very little will to resist, because it has been pointed out, time and again, how worthless, stupid and deserving the victim is. People often ask “How could anyone stay in that?” without realizing just how low one’s self esteem and self worth are. It’s a horrible cycle, and it’s more than just physical. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/44 "2004-12-13T01:04:11Z")
Oh, and for this, **faithfool** : > [@faithfool](#): > > Wonderful to know that in your bombastic, antiquated, misogynistic world that we’re _allowed_ to take care of something for ourselves without relying on superior knowledge from our husbands or religion. God bless you kind sir. Should I salve your feet with luxuriant oils now or after I’ve fed you grapes while entertaining half-nude dancing girls? > > You know my only goal in life is to serve your needs. Don’t worry your pretty little head. Mama has it all under control. 😃😃 Remind me not to piss you off. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/45 "2004-12-13T01:16:25Z")
Yup **Maureen**. It’s that little incrimentation from one step to the next (A to B to C, rather than A to L or something) that makes it more palatable and hard to get away from. Most people don’t start _out_ as Manson (and not Marilyn either, although maybe he could be included), but perhaps like Scott Peterson or Susan Smith. At least, I hope not. The psychology isn’t all that hard to figure out or empathize with. But apparently it might be for some folks. One can just never tell. And as to me, I’m just a pussy cat. I promise. I just need lots of sleep, catnip and world domination. What else is there? 😃😃😃 Besides, I’m sure you couldn’t piss me off anyway. Do you come bearing lasagna and balls of string? ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/46 "2004-12-13T01:46:50Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > I thought so until I read the “my husband is yelling at the babies” thread, in which he told the OP that the husband (and not the wife) should deal out physical punishment because it says so in the Bible, and when she replied that their father was a jerk who was no longer in their lives, that it was **her fault** for picking a bad man and that her children will suffer for her bad choices. Actually this is a combination of two posts, one of them not mine. My hollerin’ Hubby is still in our lives & hopefully will remain so (that whole “death do us part” thing). We’re still working on the details. **Kel Varnsen’s** whole personna might be a big whoosh. Either that, or he’s nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/47 "2004-12-13T03:33:46Z")
> [@fessie](#): > > Actually this is a combination of two posts, one of them not mine. My hollerin’ Hubby is still in our lives & hopefully will remain so (that whole “death do us part” thing). We’re still working on the details. > > **Kel Varnsen’s** whole personna might be a big whoosh. Either that, or he’s nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake. Yeah, sorry - I knew that it was two women he was lecturing, but was unclear on that point for someone who might not have read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![EmeraldGrue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dc4da7/32.png) [@EmeraldGrue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmeraldGrue)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/48 "2004-12-13T03:34:04Z")
After reading **fessie** ’s thread I was about to Pit you myself, but I see **Biggirl** beat me to it. > [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > Yeah because so many men who become abusive show no signs of the futute abuse during a courting of proper duration. Yes. Yes, that is _exactly_ so. My mother can attest to that. If she’d known he’d turn out like that, I wouldn’t be here to post this. **Kel Varnsen** , you have offended everyone deeply. You have no hope of gaining anyone’s respect after this. So please, please just _ **shut your fucking pie-hole** _. You are _not_ funny. At all. ---
**Author:** ![Oilcan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Oilcan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oilcan)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/49 "2004-12-13T10:37:00Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Here’s a lovely little story in pictures for you Some people won’t find it funny. That’s too bad for them. They overloaded a crane and toppled it. That’s funny, because if you look closely, you can account for everyone in the pictures and nobody got hurt, unless there were casualties in the white van since evacuated. The logos are in English, so this all happened where the industrial infrastructure could stand the loss of a crane. So Ha-Hah. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/50 "2004-12-14T07:53:09Z")
So Kel, what is your name and the name of your law school? I like to have a word with your dean. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/51 "2004-12-14T10:09:29Z")
> [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > What’s wrong with being sexy? Sex-_ist_! (even though I totally disagree with your position in this thread, props must be given for the appropriate use of a Spinal Tap reference). But, frankly, I’ve gotta agree with most everyone else here. And ‘she should know’ he’s an abuser is just flat-out wrong. Some people are jerks, and jerks get married. Maybe some of those jerks get more jerkish and become abusive. How the hell is someone supposed to know ahead of time? You can’t, and you’re kidding yourself if you truly believe you could accurately identify future abusers. ---
**Author:** ![Elenfair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cc9497/32.png) [@Elenfair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elenfair)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/52 "2004-12-14T13:40:07Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > And ‘she should know’ he’s an abuser is just flat-out wrong. Some people are jerks, and jerks get married. Maybe some of those jerks get more jerkish and become abusive. How the hell is someone supposed to know ahead of time? You can’t, and you’re kidding yourself if you truly believe you could accurately identify future abusers. What Eonwe said. Not to mention that a lot of these creeps start out like the kind of guys you WOULD take home to mother. They tend to be manipulative assholes who destroy what ever you have left of your own identity… so, while I understand that a woman _can_ and _should_ leave an abusive man, I won’t place the blame on her for having a really freakin’ hard time doing so, or for having made warped choices while under the abuser’s “control”. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/53 "2004-12-14T15:42:29Z")
kel, i applaud your troll - is the mightiest in all the land. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/54 "2004-12-14T18:06:49Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Well, in the crying baby thread, you are persistently holding a position that is congruent with a limited number of Fundamentalist Christians (and at odds with every other Christian or Jewish denomination). Therefore, either you are a (particular brand of) Fundamentalist or you are simply playing a roll in order to yank the chains of the actual parents posting to the thread. > In the first case you would qualify for the term “fundie.” > In the second case you would qualify for the term “troll.” > > Your choice. Seems to me you’ve come up with a new logical fallacy. We could call it the “Corollary of the No True Scotsman Argument”. If you really stand by your statement above, and considering that you have no evidence that **Kel Varnsen - Latex Division** subscribes to the generally accepted criteria to label someone a fundie, than I can only deduce that you have charged **Kel Varnsen - Latex Division** with being a troll, and I’m sure that I don’t have to remind you that that is against the rules. Shame on you ! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/55 "2004-12-14T18:43:35Z")
> [@Elenfair](#): > > What Eonwe said. Not to mention that a lot of these creeps start out like the kind of guys you WOULD take home to mother. Just like how Eddie Haskell would act toward Mr. & Mrs. Cleaver. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/56 "2004-12-14T21:00:22Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Sex-_ist_! > > (even though I totally disagree with your position in this thread, props must be given for the appropriate use of a Spinal Tap reference). We need a HUMONGOUS LIGHT BULB smiley. _Props_ is short for “appropriate,” as in _appropriate recognition._ That’s been bugging me for AGES!!! ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/57 "2004-12-14T21:14:15Z")
Helping to dispel ignorance, a little at a time! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/58 "2004-12-15T01:05:08Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > considering that you have no evidence that **Kel Varnsen - Latex Division** subscribes to the generally accepted criteria to label someone a fundie, What are the “generally accepted criteria?” And why does “particular brand of” fail to qualify “fundie?” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/59 "2004-12-15T06:00:53Z")
> [@andros](#): > > What are the “generally accepted criteria?” A protestant who believes in the five fundamentals. The sole authority of scripture, the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, the doctrine of the substitutionary atonement of the death of Christ, the physical resurrection of Christ, and the second coming of Christ to judge the world. > [@](#): > > And why does “particular brand of” fail to qualify “fundie?” I would assume any subset of the fundamentalist segment of Christianity would have to subscribe to all five fundamentals. I would be surprised if there is any evidence for \*\*Kel Varnsen - Latex Division \*\* having accepted even one of these doctrines. You’re not a commie just because you like socialized medicine. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486/60 "2004-12-15T06:50:25Z")
Fair enough. But I think you’d agree that most people are unaware of the specifics of those five fundamentals. I think a strong argument can be made that “generally accepted” could mean _either_ “generally accepted among the population as a whole” _or_ “generally accepted by fundamentalists.” I’m not going to speak for **Tom~** of course, but I suspect he meant the former. Most dictionaries, for example, don’t discuss those points. And then there’s the issue of whether or not most self-describing fundamentalists even understand that set of criteria. It’s pretty clear to me that the term has changed considerably since 1909. But all that’s by way of a hijack, I imagine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kel-varnsen-latex-division-you-scare-the-living-fuck-outta-me/279486.md?page=4)