# Ken "Piglet Rapist" Ham's war on Bill Nye **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 30, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193 "2012-08-30T21:52:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/41 "2012-09-01T04:43:39Z")
That would be kind of a cool museum to visit, though. I can’t remember who visited it (maybe Al Franken?), but apparently there’s one part, with a dinosaur ride. THAT would be cool. Who wouldn’t want to ride a dinosaur? ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/42 "2012-09-01T05:22:02Z")
Lulli Akin. ---
**Author:** ![the\_ignored](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@the\_ignored](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_ignored)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/43 "2012-09-01T09:53:16Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Ken Ham is right, Bill Nye has no understanding of the difference between historical science and observational science. Though in making that distinction up he is intrepidly furthering Bullshit Science. > > What the hell does “he is out to get your kids for evolution.” even mean? Like a scientific theory is a fantasy foot ball draft. Ken Ham did this once before with Nye. Get a load of this cartoon: [http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/overheads/pages/oh20030808\_187.asp](http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/overheads/pages/oh20030808_187.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/44 "2012-09-01T10:27:06Z")
> [@DeptfordX](#): > > I suspect anyone with the skills to do it would have the sense not to bother but i’d still like to see it. Are you kidding? We have full scale models of the Star Trek USS Enterprise made in Minecraft. Somebody, somewhere has to have at least tried such a feat, even if they gave up. ---
**Author:** ![DeptfordX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DeptfordX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeptfordX)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/45 "2012-09-01T11:14:58Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Are you kidding? We have full scale models of the Star Trek USS Enterprise made in Minecraft. Well yes, but that is clearly a productive and reasonable use of ones time. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/46 "2012-09-01T11:22:15Z")
Beyond disgusting. This is why I’ll never trust homeschooling. They include field trips to places like this. Bill Nye was great to do this. Exactly WHAT do these parents think they’re doing FOR their kids? Helping them become intelligent? Yes, Jeebus rode dinosaurs, he even blessed the stegosaurus with horny plates and cursed the T-Rex with pussy arms and a pussy frame! The ark had ALL the animals, including dolphins and sharks who lived happily ever after because yahweh told them to! And everybody lived over 600 years back then! They could all build arks if they wanted to! And pancakes are giant communion wafers with syrup from trees that god gave us and saying a prayer on one knee will make you lopsided. I am dumbfounded lately how the word “fact” can mean anything you make up. Or how people use “there’s no proof of that” for evolution but never use it for religion. I’m even more dumbfounded how creationist idiots can’t separate faith and science. When I was a kid in catholic school, it always seemed separated as faith in god is “this” and knowledge of science is “that”. As a matter of fact, no one ever told us that science was anti-religious, but more like how god wants us to learn as much as we can about our world. These freaks in Creationland don’t even teach the word “theory” correctly. Best thing to do might be collecting the names and addresses from the parents who bring their kids to the Religious Masturbation Creationland and send in child services. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/47 "2012-09-01T13:29:20Z")
> [@Mllz](#): > > What I found most impressive about the overall plan for that park–the full-scale arc is just the First Phase, after all!–is the rebuild of the freakin’ Tower of Babel. Kind of a ballsy project for a biblical literalist to undertake, no? > > Oh. I see. “Over 100 ft tall”. So the plan is clearly to half-ass it so as to not invoke God’s wrath. A bit underwhelming given that, but then again, the description does indicate that the highlight of the Tower of Babel exhibit “… will be a spectacular show that undoubtedly will be well received by guests.” > > (For the record, Mr. Ham, ol’ Mllz here thinks the re-scattering of humans around the globe would also be a spectacular show, especially if caused by an actual tower reaching to the heavens. Just maybe not as well-received by guests) I remember the Tower of Babel - all 37 feet of it, which I suppose was impressive at the time. And when it fell they howled, “Divine Wrath!” But come on, dried dung can only be stacked so high ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/48 "2012-09-02T10:00:58Z")
> [@wolf\_meister](#): > > According to the Creation Museum “Our creator loves us”. > Then how come every _ **day** _, about 25,000 children die from malnutrition? > Whose sins are they dying for? _Ale tries to look inconspicuous and inches towards the door._ ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/49 "2012-09-02T12:33:33Z")
Sadly, I live only a few measly miles from this place across the Ohio River in Indiana. I can feel its godly gravity tugging at me. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/50 "2012-09-02T22:46:16Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Sadly, I live only a few measly miles from this place across the Ohio River in Indiana. I can feel its godly gravity tugging at me. If you go, bring some matches. If they built it to bible specs, it’ll be gone in 60 seconds. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/51 "2012-09-03T14:39:51Z")
what is the difference between historical science and observational science? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/52 "2012-09-03T15:34:26Z")
What in hell \*is \*historical science? Aristotle? Ptolemy? What kind of term is that, even? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/53 "2012-09-03T17:52:58Z")
I’ll guess Ken Ham says historical science is in the bible, observational science is a parlor trick. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/54 "2012-09-03T18:22:13Z")
“Historical science” is a science that studies something that already happened. “Observational science” is something you can recreate in a lab. Creationists want to separate things like physics (which clearly _work_ - leading to things like electronic devices that they themselves use and enjoy) with geology, cosmology, paleontology, and evolution. Since we can’t re-create the universe or even just earth in a lab and watch it develop, they want to claim that we can’t really know what happened. This is a silly distinction for creationists to make for at least two reasons. 1. Every science is historical in some sense and observational in some sense. What we know about how the earth formed and developed is known precisely because of observations that were (and are) done today. There is no fundamental difference between making observations of rock layers today and extrapolating into the past millions of years and making observations of bits of particles today and extrapolating microseconds into the past. It’s a difference of degree, yes, but not of kind. 2. Creationists love to commit a fallacy that I call “Nobody knows; therefore I know.” The infamous Kent “Dr. Dino” Hovind liked to tell children to ask, “Were you there?” That is, if a teacher were to try to teach these children about evolutionary history, the child should play the trump card, “Were you there?” The implication is that if they weren’t, they can’t possibly know that really happened. This is a fallacy in itself, of course. But Creationists go further. After arguing (or at least implying) that nobody can possibly know what happened in the past (since we weren’t there), they then go on to posit a story of exactly what they think happened in the past. Even though they weren’t there either. In summary, even Creationists have a hard time rejecting _all_ of science. It’s just too obvious that it _works_. Their harping on the distinction between “historical” and “observational” science is an attempt keep the science even they can’t reject while doing away with the vast amount of troublesome science they would prefer to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/55 "2012-09-03T20:54:28Z")
**BlackKnight** : Wonderful job explaining that nonsense. However, there _are_ Creationists who deny what would be classed as “observational science”; for example, [Andy Schlafly and his Conservapedia Brigade deny the theory of relativity](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:Conservapedian_relativity): > [@](#): > > The sysops at Conservapedia believe there is a link between scientific relativity (special and general relativity) and moral relativism, even though the concepts are utterly unrelated and have nothing in common other than using a form of the word “relative”. > > Based on this comically misguided premise, and perhaps a mistrust of science in general (derived from their opposition to the scientific theories of evolution and global warming), they attempt to denigrate the science of relativity as part of an agenda against moral relativism. As a result, the relativity-related articles at Conservapedia are riddled with incorrect interpretations, distortions of fact, out-of-context quotes from scientists and scientific journals, and elementary errors. [Here’s an article from [del]headdesk[/del] Newsdesk.org on the subject](http://newsdesk.org/2010/08/conservapedia-calls-theory-of-relativity-a-liberal-conspiracy/), with this quote: > [@](#): > > The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world. > > [snip] > > Virtually no one who is taught and believes relativity continues to read the Bible, a book that outsells New York Times bestsellers by a hundred-fold. To be clear, GPS wouldn’t work without relativity. We need relativity to do anything regarding gravity, high-speed transportation, accurate timing, and even quantum physics (quantum field theories specifically incorporate _special_ relativity, incorporation of _general_ relativity being a future project). ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/56 "2012-09-03T21:00:36Z")
Their brains really are broken, aren’t they. \ ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/57 "2012-09-04T00:15:07Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > . . . In summary, even Creationists have a hard time rejecting _all_ of science. It’s just too obvious that it _works_. . . . I once saw Duane Gish speak, and, in his speech, he ridiculed scientists for believing in “colorless, odorless, invisible gases.” I had to take a deep breath… ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2012, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193/58 "2012-09-04T01:10:23Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I once saw Duane Gish speak, and, in his speech, he ridiculed scientists for believing in “colorless, odorless, invisible gases.” > > I had to take a deep breath… I didn’t see what you did there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ken-piglet-rapist-hams-war-on-bill-nye/633193.md?page=2)