# Kentucky Governor's Race: Election Fraud **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 8, 2015, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995 "2015-11-08T04:54:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/21 "2015-11-10T17:55:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It might be sour grapes, but there might be something to it anyway. Probably a longshot (the chance that there was some sort of illegal activity that changed the outcome), but sometimes longshots happen. It was sour grapes. This kind of thing is one way to deal with losing an election. The Democrat gets clobbered, there isn’t anything like enough evidence for a recount, so the sore losers can pretend that the election wasn’t legitimate. Investigations wouldn’t do any good - they would just claim a cover up. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/22 "2015-11-10T18:03:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It was sour grapes. > > This kind of thing is one way to deal with losing an election. The Democrat gets clobbered, there isn’t anything like enough evidence for a recount, so the sore losers can pretend that the election wasn’t legitimate. Investigations wouldn’t do any good - they would just claim a cover up. > > Regards, > Shodan You’re probably right, but there’s some chance, extremely low or just low, that there were shenanigans. I’m hopeful that some are found, but not optimistic at all. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/23 "2015-11-10T18:04:34Z")
And it’s worth it to find those shenanigans even if it doesn’t change the race. I agree that there’s almost no chance that Conway can win with an investigation, but if the real result is say, 49-46, I want to know the reason why. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/24 "2015-11-10T18:58:51Z")
Interesting article. Includes comments from a guy who voted for Bevin but stands to lose his insurance now. Oops. > [@](#): > > Dennis Blackburn has this splintered self-interest. The 56-year-old mechanic hasn’t worked in 18 months, since he lost his job at a tire company that supplies a diminishing number of local coal mines. “The old guy had to go home,” Blackburn says of his layoff. > > He has a hereditary liver disorder, numbness in his hands and legs, back pain from folding his 6-foot-1-inch frame into 29-inch mine shafts as a young man, plus an abnormal heart rhythm — the likely vestige of having been struck by lightning 15 years ago in his tin-roofed farmhouse. > > Blackburn was making small payments on an MRI he’d gotten at Pikeville Medical Center, the only hospital in a 150-mile radius, when he heard about Big Sandy’s Shelby Valley Clinic. There he met Fleming, who helped him sign up for one of the managed-care Medicaid plans available in Kentucky. > > On Election Day, Blackburn voted for Bevin because he is tired of career politicians and thought a businessman would be more apt to create the jobs that Pike County so needs. Yet when it comes to the state’s expansion of health insurance, “it doesn’t look to me as if he understands,” Blackburn said. “Without this little bit of help these people are giving me, I could probably die. . . . It’s not right to not understand something but want to stamp it out.” [https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/next-kentucky-governors-aca-animus-raises-concerns-in-coal-country/2015/11/09/5143a0ea-8492-11e5-8ba6-cec48b74b2a7\_story.html?hpid=hp\_no-name\_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/next-kentucky-governors-aca-animus-raises-concerns-in-coal-country/2015/11/09/5143a0ea-8492-11e5-8ba6-cec48b74b2a7_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/25 "2015-11-10T19:01:11Z")
he’s a great American. We’re supposed to vote for the interests of our state and country, not ourselves. Everyone voting for their own personal interest destroys democracy. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/26 "2015-11-10T19:08:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > he’s a great American. We’re supposed to vote for the interests of our state and country, not ourselves. Everyone voting for their own personal interest destroys democracy. Yeah, he’s willing to die of his disease so that someone somewhere can have a very small reduction in their taxes or something! A great American! Seriously, perhaps he thinks you’re right. His comments don’t sound like it though. I think maybe he regrets his vote. I can’t speak for you, but I wonder if you’d vote for someone who would assure that you lost your health insurance when you have a life-threatening disease too. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/27 "2015-11-10T19:08:52Z")
Actually, he wants job creation. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/28 "2015-11-10T19:09:08Z")
There isn’t any evidence of shenanigans. That’s not the point. The point is for the losing side to give itself a reason to think they didn’t lose. All you need for that is the accusation, and that’s been made. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’re probably right, but there’s some chance, extremely low or just low, that there were shenanigans. When a Democrat wins an election in which there is no evidence of wrongdoing, and calls for an investigation anyway, then we can talk. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/29 "2015-11-10T19:12:35Z")
THe problem with vote fraud is that there’s no evidence if you’re not looking. Therefore we shouldn’t look. Circular logic. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/30 "2015-11-10T19:28:35Z")
Democratic candidate for governor Jack Conway conceded the governor’s race to Republican Matt Bevin. Can Conway still ask for a recount at this point? Shouldn’t he have registered a protest before he conceded? > **[Video | Jack Conway concedes governor's race](https://www.courier-journal.com/videos/news/politics/elections/kentucky/2015/11/03/75132516/)** > > Democratic candidate for governor Jack Conway conceded the governor's race to Republican Matt Bevin. Apparently, someone named Brad Friedman is hoping to process a few sour grapes by requesting a recount. Of course, Friedman doesn’t have any standing to actually request a recount. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/31 "2015-11-10T19:48:11Z")
Personally, I’d say a recount is warranted if the results are highly unlikely given the polling and history of turnout. I’d support that if it were D or R by the name. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/32 "2015-11-10T20:24:33Z")
A hand paper recount should just be standard and implemented in all the races, not just the governor’s race. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/33 "2015-11-10T20:46:02Z")
There’s no evidence that the election was corrupt, therefore we need to investigate. There’s no evidence that the investigation is corrupt, so we need to investigate that. There’s no evidence that the second investigation was corrupt, so we need to investigate that with a third investigation. How much time and money does Kentucky have to waste? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/34 "2015-11-10T20:49:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, he wants job creation. Okay, he will die early so someone else can have a job! A great American! You should go tell him how great he is. Go tell thousands of other Kentuckyans that they need to die/be really sick/go bankrupt because we need more jobs! (And the corresponding jobs that will be lost due to loss of insurance don’t count). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995/35 "2015-11-10T20:52:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > When a Democrat wins an election in which there is no evidence of wrongdoing, and calls for an investigation anyway, then we can talk. As a rule, winners don’t call for investigations. I don’t expect the winner to in this case, whether it’s legitimate or not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kentucky-governors-race-election-fraud/736995.md?page=1)