# Kerry and the $87 billion. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 11, 2004, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kerry-and-the-87-billion/268702 "2004-10-11T20:28:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kerry-and-the-87-billion/268702/1 "2004-10-11T20:28:15Z")
Ok, I’ve tried to make sense of this on my own, so I’m pleading to the dopers to suss this out for me. Let’s start out with [factcheck.org’s](http://factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=155.html) summation of what happened. (Unfortunately, none of the links to the Senate’s website is working.) Kerry, during the [second debate](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_1008.html), said this: > [@Kerry](#): > > Not necessarily be in power, but here’s what I’ll say about the $87 billion. > I made a mistake in the way I talk about it.He made a mistake in invading Iraq.Which is a worse decision? > Now, I voted the way I voted because I saw that he had the policy wrong and I wanted accountability.I didn’t want to give a slush fund to Halliburton.I also thought the wealthiest people in America ought to pay for it, ladies and gentlemen.He wants your kids to pay for it.I wanted us to pay for it, since we’re at war.I don’t think that’s a bad decision. From what I gather, the first vote for it was for his bill that would not only grant the $87 billion but would roll back a tax cut for those making $400K or more. That bill didn’t pass, but there was another bill for $87B that didn’t include the tax cuts that he voted against? Is that what happened or am I way off? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kerry-and-the-87-billion/268702/2 "2004-10-11T20:36:58Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > That bill didn’t pass, but there was another bill for $87B that didn’t include the tax cuts that he voted against? Is that what happened or am I way off? No, you’re a little off on your description. The second bill (the one that passed that he voted against) DIDN’T include the rollback, which would have paid for the $87 billion. It’s not that it included a tax cut - those had already been put in place months beforehand. Extremely dumbed down explanation: First bill: $87 billion in military equipment $87 billion in tax revenue from tax cut rollback (read: tax increase) on rich people Second bill: $87 billion in military equipment ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kerry-and-the-87-billion/268702/3 "2004-10-11T20:43:58Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Extremely dumbed down explanation: > > First bill: > $87 billion in military equipment > $87 billion in tax revenue from tax cut rollback (read: tax increase) on rich people > > Second bill: > $87 billion in military equipment Perfect! Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kerry-and-the-87-billion/268702/4 "2004-10-11T21:18:16Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > No, you’re a little off on your description. The second bill (the one that passed that he voted against) DIDN’T include the rollback, which would have paid for the $87 billion. It’s not that it included a tax cut - those had already been put in place months beforehand. Extremely dumbed down explanation: > > First bill: > $87 billion in military equipment > $87 billion in tax revenue from tax cut rollback (read: tax increase) on rich people > > Second bill: > $87 billion in military equipment Close, but not quite. The $87 billion was not only for military equipment – it also covered reconstruction efforts in Iraq, as well as aid for Afghanistan; assistance for Pakistan, Jordan, and other U.S. allies; and cash for rewards for the capture of Saddam and Osama bin Laden. (The portion that covered actual “body armor,” another hot debate point, was only about 1/3 of 1%, or 0.0034%.) The version of the bill Kerry voted _for_, not only included a rollback of tax cuts to individuals making more than $400k/year, but also called for a portion of the Iraq restructuring costs to be considered a “loan” that Iraq would eventually have to repay. Bush threatened to veto any bill that included any dollar amount in the form of a loan. > [@](#): > > [http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/06/sprj.nilaw.bush.iraq.reut/](http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/06/sprj.nilaw.bush.iraq.reut/) > > The White House had threatened to veto the entire package if it required any repayment, and Bush personally lobbied defiant members of his own party until they agreed to provide all of the nearly $20 billion reconstruction money as a no-strings grant. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kerry-and-the-87-billion/268702/5 "2004-10-11T21:20:21Z")
Thanks for the further clarification, **Shayna**. I had a feeling I missed something important. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kerry-and-the-87-billion/268702/6 "2004-10-11T23:11:19Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > (The portion that covered actual “body armor,” another hot debate point, was only about 1/3 of 1%, or 0.0034%.) I also have heard it said that it is the Democrats who added the body armor money to the billl although I haven’t been able to verify this. At the very least though, it was the Democrats who first pointed out that some of the troops had been sent to Iraq without the most modern body armor…so the fact that money for this was specifically in the bill was likely due to their influence, whether direct or indirect.