# Kevin Spacey comes out in response to accusation of sexual harassment of 14-year old boy **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 30, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221 "2017-10-30T12:50:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/181 "2017-11-09T04:20:40Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Out of curiosity, were you planning on it before? I’ve seen it a few times, and even defended Spacey’s character when people criticised him for obsessing over a high school girl once or twice, but I didn’t have any particular plans to see it in the immediate future. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/182 "2017-11-09T05:46:40Z")
Kevin Spacey is a GREAT actor. This is most unfortunate, ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/183 "2017-11-09T08:17:28Z")
[Spacey replaced by Christopher Plummer in All The Money In The World.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/entertainment/all-the-money-in-the-world-kevin-spacey-replaced/index.html) That’s a real shocker. The movie was finished and ready for release. I can’t recall something like this happening before. I can understand why Ridley Scott did it, worries about the chilling effect of Spacey’s presence, but I don’t think this will help the film. Plummer’s a good actor but he’s not a great actor as Spacey undoubtedly is so this won’t resurrect the movie’s Oscar hopes. I hope that some time down the line we’ll get to see the version with Spacey as his performance is said to be incredible. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/184 "2017-11-09T11:42:17Z")
I can see Spacey starring with OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby in a film entitled “The Three Pariahs”. As an actor, he’s done. Being gay no longer matters in Hollywood but being a sexual predator does. The account of buying that young man drinks and putting his hand inside his pants at the bar was pretty terrifying. I hope he can be charged with something at some point. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/185 "2017-11-09T14:44:58Z")
Spacey is seeking treatment. Thank god _he’ll_ be okay. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/186 "2017-11-09T15:53:28Z")
I think that horse left the barn, moved 3 states over, and married its first cousin. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/187 "2017-11-09T16:50:12Z")
Or his own brother. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/188 "2017-11-09T16:53:28Z")
Well, that’s a horse of a different color. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/189 "2017-11-09T17:02:58Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Spacey replaced by Christopher Plummer in All The Money In The World.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/entertainment/all-the-money-in-the-world-kevin-spacey-replaced/index.html) > > That’s a real shocker. The movie was finished and ready for release. I can’t recall something like this happening before. I can understand why Ridley Scott did it, worries about the chilling effect of Spacey’s presence, but I don’t think this will help the film. Plummer’s a good actor but he’s not a great actor as Spacey undoubtedly is so this won’t resurrect the movie’s Oscar hopes. I hope that some time down the line we’ll get to see the version with Spacey as his performance is said to be incredible. I could easily see Plummer doing a good job with the role, although perhaps in my mind it helps that he’s closer to the age of the character than Spacey is. The only question is whether the reshoots will be smooth or if it will be obvious. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/190 "2017-11-09T18:45:40Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Spacey replaced by Christopher Plummer in All The Money In The World.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/entertainment/all-the-money-in-the-world-kevin-spacey-replaced/index.html) > > That’s a real shocker. The movie was finished and ready for release. I can’t recall something like this happening before. I can understand why Ridley Scott did it, worries about the chilling effect of Spacey’s presence, but I don’t think this will help the film. Plummer’s a good actor but he’s not a great actor as Spacey undoubtedly is so this won’t resurrect the movie’s Oscar hopes. I’d say Plummer is a better actor, your “undoubtedly” being highly arbitrary. Spacey is a terrific actor, no doubt, but I can certainly name a lot more bad performances by him (_K-Pax, The Shipping News, Pay It Forward, The United States of Leland, Beyond the Sea, The Life of David Gale_) than I can by Plummer. Make no mistake, when he’s good, he’s very very good. But what I’ve found is that he’s usually at his best when he’s in a movie that’s already excellent. He’s a collaborator so feeds off the energy of other talented people and that can often reveal some really stunning results, but I don’t think that makes him better. Plummer is an old-school craftsman and I’m really hard-pressed to think of many performances of his that weren’t completely authentic and lived-in. They aren’t always in good movies and unlike Spacey, he’s mostly been in supporting parts for the last four decades, but he’s the real deal and a highly reliable and believable character actor. The biggest millstone around his neck is the legacy of the only movie most people know from early in his career, but even now if you re-examine Captain Von Trapp, he provides the vital understatement that movie is otherwise sorely lacking. And I’ll admit that having seen the trailer several times recently, Spacey looked like he was delivering a “make-up performance”, where he’s very self-consciously done up to look like someone else. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing (a trailer can be a misleading indicator), but it’s not something I think when I see Gary Oldman in the _Darkest Hour_ trailer, for example. He looks like a real character, not just a stagy version of Oldman. So my interest in Scott’s film has risen with this change. ---
**Author:** ![Dropo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce7236/32.png) [@Dropo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dropo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/191 "2017-11-09T18:55:40Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > Plummer is an old-school craftsman and I’m really hard-pressed to think of many performances of his that weren’t completely authentic and lived-in. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/O-wIW47kes8/maxresdefault.jpg "The Emperor's Speech - Starcrash (1978)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wIW47kes8) One and counting… ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/192 "2017-11-09T19:42:46Z")
> [@Dropo](#): > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wIW47kes8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wIW47kes8) > > One and counting… I know this is off-topic but Plummer must’ve been in some desperate financial straits or had a bad drinking problem when he did that movie. It’s one thing to be featured in a big-budget knock-off of **Star Wars** but this looked like it was meant to be aired on Saturday morning TV. It made me wonder how much of the film’s budget was left after they paid Plummer. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/193 "2017-11-09T19:53:52Z")
BTW, that movie, All The Money In The World, already had an actor in the role of John Paul Getty III (the kidnap victim) named Charlie Plummer, who is apparently unrelated to Christopher Plummer, in the role of John Paul Getty (the billionaire grandfather who was reluctant to ransom his grandson, until the grandson’s ear was sent in). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/194 "2017-11-09T20:06:37Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I can see Spacey starring with OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby in a film entitled “The Three Pariahs”. If only there was a powerful studio executive who understood the suffering they’re going through… Oh, right. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/195 "2017-11-09T20:44:13Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Spacey replaced by Christopher Plummer in All The Money In The World.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/entertainment/all-the-money-in-the-world-kevin-spacey-replaced/index.html) > > That’s a real shocker. It’s a shocker to me in that I didn’t realize Christopher Plummer was still alive and acting. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/196 "2017-11-09T23:47:06Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Spacey replaced by Christopher Plummer in All The Money In The World.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/entertainment/all-the-money-in-the-world-kevin-spacey-replaced/index.html) > > That’s a real shocker. The movie was finished and ready for release. I can’t recall something like this happening before. I can understand why Ridley Scott did it, worries about the chilling effect of Spacey’s presence, but I don’t think this will help the film. Plummer’s a good actor but he’s not a great actor as Spacey undoubtedly is so this won’t resurrect the movie’s Oscar hopes. I hope that some time down the line we’ll get to see the version with Spacey as his performance is said to be incredible. I disagree, and so does Ridley Scott. Plummer was his first choice but the studio pressured him into getting a “bigger name”, and that’s how Spacey ended up with the part. And kudos to Scott for making this move. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/197 "2017-11-10T00:48:22Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > It’s a shocker to me in that I didn’t realize Christopher Plummer was still alive and acting. He won an Academy Award in 2012 for _Beginners_. He was 82 then, the oldest actor to receive an Oscar. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/198 "2017-11-10T23:01:29Z")
> [@](#): > > For years, Andy Holtzman had been sharing only with close friends his “strange” story about a scary encounter, when Kevin Spacey groped him in the summer of 1981. For years he thought he was the only one with such a story. Not anymore. > > “I had no idea I was far from alone,” Holtzman told USA TODAY. “It’s a good feeling and a bad feeling at the same time. It felt better for me (to finally talk about it), and not so good for so many others who had the same or similar experiences.” > > On Friday, Holtzman became **the 15th man** to accuse Spacey of sexually assaulting him, in an exclusive interview with USA TODAY after he posted his story on his private Facebook page. > **[Exclusive: New Kevin Spacey accuser tells of 1981 'wordless' assault, then...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2017/11/10/exclusive-new-kevin-spacey-accuser-tells-wordless-assault-then-scary-anger-when-rebuffed/852742001/)** > > Kevin Spacey's newest accuser is the 15th and the earliest so far, describing a 'wordless' assault followed by 'scary anger' that he was rebuffed. **15th man**. I wonder how big the number will end up at. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/199 "2017-11-11T04:56:44Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > I don’t know about that. His presence even in those movies might cause such a feeling of cold clamminess and nausea in viewers that they’ll be avoided. I have not been able to watch “This Is Spinal Tap” since Tony Hendra’s daughter made very credible accusations that he molested her. Hendra played Ian Faith, the cricket bat-wielding manager. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/200 "2017-11-16T18:50:21Z")
More allegations: > [@](#): > > The Old Vic theatre has apologised for not creating an environment where people could raise concerns about Kevin Spacey after receiving 20 individual allegations of inappropriate behaviour by the actor. > > **The theatre said 14 of the allegations were so serious that it had advised complainants to take the matter up with the police.** > > An investigation into the conduct of Spacey during his 11 years at the Old Vic has concluded that the actor’s star power, which the theatre described as a “cult of personality”, contributed to failings at the organisation. > **[Old Vic says ‘cult of personality’ meant Kevin Spacey claims were not reported](https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/nov/16/kevin-spacey-old-vic-inquiry-finds-20-claims-of-inappropriate-behaviour)** > > London theatre apologises for failings after revealing it has received 20 allegations of inappropriate behaviour against the actor [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221.md?page=11)