# Kevin Spacey comes out in response to accusation of sexual harassment of 14-year old boy **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 30, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221 "2017-10-30T12:50:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/41 "2017-10-30T19:48:22Z")
[Netflix pulls plug on House of Cards.](http://deadline.com/2017/10/house-of-cards-canceled-kevin-spacey-scandal-netflix-season-six-1202197604/) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/42 "2017-10-30T20:23:51Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > [Netflix pulls plug on House of Cards.](http://deadline.com/2017/10/house-of-cards-canceled-kevin-spacey-scandal-netflix-season-six-1202197604/) So it really was just a house of cards after all? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/43 "2017-10-30T20:34:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So it really was just a house of cards after all? The house will remain standing another year, though. Season 6, 13 episodes, is still expected to debut mid 2018. I mean, the film’s in the can and money’s money, right? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/44 "2017-10-30T20:51:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > We could nit pick Spacey’s apology all day, but I’m not seeing that his was bad. Was it the best apology possible? Probably not. But I think it was fine. Saying he was “horrified” at his behavior is good enough for me. I obviously disagree. I think any apology that contains an “if I did it” is half-assed. (And that looks intentional. Spacey also writes “it would have been” not “it was”.) So is an “apology” that offers excuses like it happened a long time ago or I was drunk. And Spacey didn’t say he was horrified at his own behavior. He said he was “horrified to hear [Rapp’s] story.” At best, he was distancing himself from what he did. At worst, it can be interpreted that Spacey was horrified that Rapp was telling people what he did. I’m sure lots of criminals are horrified when their crimes are revealed. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/45 "2017-10-30T20:59:24Z")
> [@kayT](#): > > I wonder why it is that everyone seems to assume that the accuser is telling 100% the truth all the time. Spacey’s response was “if it happened, I was drunk”. If he’s not gonna call the accuser a liar, then why would I? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/46 "2017-10-30T21:02:56Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Unless he really doesn’t remember then that would be a phony apology. I might remember 3 things from1986 and none of those involved alcohol. Did you mean “does” instead of “doesn’t”? ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/47 "2017-10-30T21:20:14Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Interesting that him being aggressive is a “thing” because I discussed this story with Mrs. Cups and she has a “friend of a friend” story of KS coming on to him. Me too. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/48 "2017-10-30T21:20:45Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > [Netflix pulls plug on House of Cards.](http://deadline.com/2017/10/house-of-cards-canceled-kevin-spacey-scandal-netflix-season-six-1202197604/) I wondered if they’d pull the plug. I was kinda hoping President Claire would kill Frank in the first or second episode of S6, and we could carry on with that hanging over her. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/49 "2017-10-30T21:25:14Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The house will remain standing another year, though. Season 6, 13 episodes, is still expected to debut mid 2018. I mean, the film’s in the can and money’s money, right? From what I just read, it’s still in production. They can at least give it a fitting conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/50 "2017-10-30T21:45:07Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It doesn’t make him a bank robber either but that’s not the point. Well, since someone called him that up thread, yeah, it is. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/51 "2017-10-30T21:49:13Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > Well, since someone called him that up thread, yeah, it is. That wasn’t the post I responded to. I was responding to somebody who wrote that what Spacey had done wasn’t so bad because it wasn’t forcible rape. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/52 "2017-10-30T22:23:04Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > [Netflix pulls plug on House of Cards.](http://deadline.com/2017/10/house-of-cards-canceled-kevin-spacey-scandal-netflix-season-six-1202197604/) The 6th season (which is filming now) was already planned on being the final season. Netflix did \*\*not \*\*cancel the series because of this scandal. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/53 "2017-10-30T22:23:54Z")
I was 12 and then 14-years old for the two instances of men coming onto me as a boy. Nothing happened but I remember the advances more clearly than anything else from that period of my life. Not sure why - can’t put it in an human evolutionary context. Maybe the invasion of personal space and prospect of intimacy kicked in some survival chemicals. Spacey can take care of himself. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/54 "2017-10-30T22:29:20Z")
I’ve been thinking about Rapp’s position. I can see that having a drunken actor climb on top of you when you’re 14 could be traumatic. Hell, I know it can, I experienced molestation as a kid of about the same level, ie nothing major happened but it was still unpleasant. Sure, I remember it but it had no effect on my life whatsoever. It happened, it was no big deal, I got over it in no time at all. Now I’m thinking, if the guy who did it (minor fondling) had been known to me (he wasn’t) would I really want to come forward decades later and destroy the guy’s life? I wouldn’t. Rapp has probably destroyed Spacey’s career. If the actor turns out to have been a serial offender then fair enough. But if this was an isolated incident the punishment is out of all proportion to the crime. I’m wondering what Rapp hoped to achieve by coming forward. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/55 "2017-10-30T22:32:21Z")
I tend to think a famous actors sense of entitlement might have hoisted him by his own petard. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/56 "2017-10-30T22:33:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I mean, the film’s in the can and money’s money, right? Well, yeah. No studio would want to take the risk of having a show produced, something comes out about an actor and then they’re out however many millions of dollars because they need to throw the whole thing away. Every time the topic of “What film/TV/music/literature can you not enjoy because of creator’s sins?” comes up, 2/3rds of the responses are “Well, I can separate the art from the artists so I’d never not watch something just because the actor/producer/director raped and murdered an orphanage…” So why would Netflix trash a mostly-done season of shows? ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/57 "2017-10-30T23:37:12Z")
From what I hear, Spacey’s been the missing stair for a long time. People quietly saying to young male interns that they shouldn’t go into his dressing room alone, etc. He was known in the business to be predatory, and to prefer boys/young men under 20. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/58 "2017-10-31T00:02:54Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > The 6th season (which is filming now) was already planned on being the final season. Netflix did \*\*not \*\*cancel the series because of this scandal. Yeah, as a matter of fact it’s briefly noted in the Nov. 5 issue of _TIME_, which is out right now and was obviously printed last week. Way to jump on the morality train, Netflix! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/59 "2017-10-31T00:29:33Z")
You might say, they read the cards. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/60 "2017-10-31T01:13:01Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I tend to think a famous actors sense of entitlement might have hoisted him by his own petard. In 1986? Actor sure, famous? Not so much. He was 5th billed and getting good reviews in a Broadway revival of Long Days Journey Into Night but he was unknown outside of theater circles. It would be years before he became Hollywood famous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221.md?page=4)