# Kevin Spacey comes out in response to accusation of sexual harassment of 14-year old boy **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 30, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221 "2017-10-30T12:50:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/61 "2017-10-31T01:33:26Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > …Way to jump on the morality train, Netflix! That show jumped the shark well before jumping on the morality train was an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/62 "2017-10-31T02:00:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I could legitimately say that I am horrified by Rapp’s story and I’m sorry for the feelings he’s carried with him for years. A bit tangential, but what makes you so sure that Rapp has carried “feelings” (of some unspecified nature, but presumably traumatic) with him for years? I mean, from the time I was about 15 until I was an adult, I was often, very often, accosted by gay men. More than onceI was physically accosted, much as Mr. Rapp apparently was. That’s what happens when you live in NYC a block away from a strip of gay bars, many of them back room bars filled with guys out cruising, and you walk around the neighborhood at night. I’m not traumatized, I don’t have any “feelings” about it one way or another, and I’ve forgotten just about all of the incidents. I don’t know that Mr. Rapp wasn’t scarred by this incident, but I don’t know that he was, either. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/63 "2017-10-31T02:31:33Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > … what makes you so sure that Rapp has carried “feelings” (of some unspecified nature, but presumably traumatic) with him for years? Here’s a quote from a [BuzzFeed article](https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/anthony-rapp-kevin-spacey-made-sexual-advance-when-i-was-14): > [@Anthony Rapp](#): > > My stomach churns. I still to this day can’t wrap my head around so many aspects of it. It’s just deeply confusing to me. > [@](#): > > More than onceI was physically accosted, much as Mr. Rapp apparently was. By men who laid you down and climbed on top of you? ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/64 "2017-10-31T02:40:46Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Yeah, as a matter of fact it’s briefly noted in the Nov. 5 issue of _TIME_, which is out right now and was obviously printed last week. > > Way to jump on the morality train, Netflix! Any link? I just ask because Netflix got a lot of media to go along with their story they only finally decided to cancel it light of the accusations against Spacey. The story I saw admitted they’d been ‘considering’ ending with Season 6 but claimed the decision was only made and communicated to cast members today. As for Spacey’s statement, there would I believe have been furious criticism either way, if he took the opportunity to explain his sexual orientation or not. Either way it’s a non-straight\* man who doesn’t deny he came on to an underage teenage boy. Not a pedophile, but it still touches on a highly sensitive stereotype. So of course he’s going to be the object of more fury than if it had been a teenage girl though of course he’d have gotten (and deserved) heat for that also. But in that case the orientation announcement would have been clearly unnecessary, which I think hints that the closest to correct answer is that Spacey’s orientation statement was still unnecessary if it was teenage boy. The problem is what happened to Rapp. Spacey talking about himself tends to make it about him. \*keeping in mind Spacey isn’t just saying he’s gay but that he’s been bisexual but now ‘chooses’ to live as a gay man. That’s not a crowd pleasing statement either, putting choose and gay in the same sentence. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/65 "2017-10-31T03:06:34Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > From what I hear, Spacey’s been the missing stair for a long time. People quietly saying to young male interns that they shouldn’t go into his dressing room alone, etc. He was known in the business to be predatory, and to prefer boys/young men under 20. There are reddit comments going back years with people alluding to things like that. This is just the start of the stories that will be coming out about him. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/66 "2017-10-31T03:25:46Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > There are reddit comments going back years with people alluding to things like that. This is just the start of the stories that will be coming out about him. I’ve heard the same thing and I’m hardly hooked into entertainment back channels. I think you are right. ---
**Author:** ![I\_wasn\_t\_truly\_absent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4da419/32.png) [@I\_wasn\_t\_truly\_absent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_wasn_t_truly_absent)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/67 "2017-10-31T03:52:12Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > Because for a very long time, and STILL NOW in certain religious and political persuasions, there is a false equivalence that “Gay People” are actually “People Who Molest Children” and it’s been used as a weapon to shame or persecute gay people. It has been a very hard stigma to erase, and has resulted in lots of people being afraid to come out themselves because of the fear that people will have this perception of them as being child abusers. > > For a specific example, I’m pansexual, I live in the Bible Belt, and I work with children, for a government agency. There is no way in HELL I will ever be able to be “out” around here without putting my continued employment at risk. > > So for him to “come out” as part of his “oh whoops I totally don’t remember ever doing that but if I did it was because I was totally drunk and also gay” statement is infuriating. I misread employment as enjoyment, I hope you’re amused, if not, sorry. KS was obviously bricking it ( shittin’ bricks, a colloquialism for fear anxiety) and was hoping to manage the situation in an impression of self assuredness, he’s obviously not fooled anyone. I wonder if Bill M is crapping his pants, likes young women all disoriented and affable at “parties” horny old goats the lot of them ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/68 "2017-10-31T04:00:00Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > By men who laid you down and climbed on top of you? Lay down? No. Grabbed me, held me, attempted to kiss me, grabbed my crotch, yes. But I managed to stay vertical. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/69 "2017-10-31T04:00:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I obviously disagree. > > I think any apology that contains an “if I did it” is half-assed. (And that looks intentional. Spacey also writes “it would have been” not “it was”.) So is an “apology” that offers excuses like it happened a long time ago or I was drunk. > > And Spacey didn’t say he was horrified at his own behavior. He said he was “horrified to hear [Rapp’s] story.” At best, he was distancing himself from what he did. At worst, it can be interpreted that Spacey was horrified that Rapp was telling people what he did. I’m sure lots of criminals are horrified when their crimes are revealed. But if Spacey truly did not remember it (which is not unreasonable given that it was not sex, but merely a solicitation over thirty years ago at a drunken party) then his statement is admirable in the sense that he is saying that if Rapp said he did it, then it must be true despite the fact that he (Spacey) does not recall it. An apology made just to apologize when one does not remember, and therefore cannot truly be remorseful, is not admirable at all and is not a true apology. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/70 "2017-10-31T04:11:26Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > But if Spacey truly did not remember it (which is not unreasonable given that it was not sex, but merely a solicitation over thirty years ago at a drunken party) then his statement is admirable in the sense that he is saying that if Rapp said he did it, then it must be true despite the fact that he (Spacey) does not recall it. > > An apology made just to apologize when one does not remember, and therefore cannot truly be remorseful, is not admirable at all and is not a true apology. I intended to post similar thoughts. You probably said it better than I would. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/71 "2017-10-31T04:19:15Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > But if Spacey truly did not remember it (which is not unreasonable given that it was not sex, but merely a solicitation over thirty years ago at a drunken party) then his statement is admirable in the sense that he is saying that if Rapp said he did it, then it must be true despite the fact that he (Spacey) does not recall it. Because it wan’t even close to out of character for him to have done something like that, back then at least. If someone were to have made that claim about me, I would have told them that they were very mistaken to put it mildly. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/72 "2017-10-31T04:50:29Z")
Spacey’s brother, a limo driver and Rod Stewart impersonator in Boise, Idaho, is now [saying](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5032809/Kevin-Spacey-s-father-Nazi-child-rapist-brother-says.html) that their father was a neo-Nazi who sexually abused his children, with their mother’s knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/73 "2017-10-31T13:50:40Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > From what I hear, Spacey’s been the missing stair for a long time. People quietly saying to young male interns that they shouldn’t go into his dressing room alone, etc. He was known in the business to be predatory, and to prefer boys/young men under 20. I had completely forgotten about this Family Guy moment from over a decade ago. > [@Naked Stuey](#): > > Help! I’ve escaped from Kevin Spacey’s basement! Help me! > **[Entertainment | Someecards](https://www.someecards.com/entertainment/)** > > The best Entertainment Memes and Ecards. See our huge collection of Entertainment Memes and Quotes, and share them with your friends and family. So, another open secret? ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/74 "2017-10-31T14:33:40Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Spacey’s brother, a limo driver and Rod Stewart impersonator in Boise, Idaho, is now [saying](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5032809/Kevin-Spacey-s-father-Nazi-child-rapist-brother-says.html) that their father was a neo-Nazi who sexually abused his children, with their mother’s knowledge. His brother spoke about all that maybe 10 years ago. That is nothing new that is being revealed now. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/75 "2017-10-31T14:34:19Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > I’m not traumatized, I don’t have any “feelings” about it one way or another, and I’ve forgotten just about all of the incidents. That’s been my experience too. How scarred could you be by such a trivial incident? Sure, you might remember it as unpleasant. But scarred? Come on now. Actual rape I could understand, that must really scar you. But this? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/76 "2017-10-31T14:38:29Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I had completely forgotten about this Family Guy moment from over a decade ago. > > [Entertainment | Someecards](https://www.someecards.com/entertainment/tv/kevin-spacey-family-guy-joke/) > > So, another open secret? Maybe, but that could just be a reference to Spacey’s villainous characters, particularly the one in\* Se7en.\* ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/77 "2017-10-31T14:41:28Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > That’s been my experience too. How scarred could you be by such a trivial incident? Sure, you might remember it as unpleasant. But scarred? Come on now. Actual rape I could understand, that must really scar you. But this? How can you say how someone should feel about something that happened to them? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/78 "2017-10-31T15:19:19Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > How can you say how someone should feel about something that happened to them? Yes, it’s one thing to keep an open mind about things, but if a young teenager is sexually assaulted by an adult, it’s not unreasonable to take him at his word when he says it was traumatizing. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/79 "2017-10-31T15:34:49Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Spacey’s brother, a limo driver and Rod Stewart impersonator in Boise, Idaho, is now [saying](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5032809/Kevin-Spacey-s-father-Nazi-child-rapist-brother-says.html) that their father was a neo-Nazi who sexually abused his children, with their mother’s knowledge. Boy, that is one hell of a read! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kevin-spacey-comes-out-in-response-to-accusation-of-sexual-harassment-of-14-year-old-boy/800221/80 "2017-10-31T15:35:16Z")
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