# Keyes sez M. Cheney is a sinner! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636 "2004-09-01T20:31:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/1 "2004-09-01T20:31:08Z")
Republican-Illinois-Candidate-for-the-Senate-from-Maryland Alan Keyes must have finally found his way out of that cornfield near Peoria. > [@](#): > > Keyes said Vice President Dick Cheney’s lesbian daughter is a sinner. > > The former talk show host who has made two unsuccessful runs for the White House made the comments Monday night in an interview with Sirius OutQ, a satellite radio station that provides programming aimed at gays and lesbians. > > After saying homosexuality is `selfish hedonism,'' Keyes was asked if that made Mary Cheney `a selfish hedonist.’’ > > `Of course she is,'' Keyes replied. `That goes by definition.’’ Trying to find where Keyes actually used the S-word, but his campaign is going absolutely nowhere. Looks like he is reduced to attacking the Repbulican Vice-President’s family to get any coverage at all. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/2 "2004-09-01T20:36:41Z")
umm- link :smack: [http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1131&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040901%2F1145500240.htm&sc=1131](http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1131&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040901%2F1145500240.htm&sc=1131) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/3 "2004-09-01T20:48:21Z")
I’d say Alan has just about nailed down the Flaming Loon vote. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/4 "2004-09-01T20:51:31Z")
With the world so overpopulated, isn’t choosing not to have kids an _altruistic_ act? God may have said be fruitful and multiply, but we’ve already done that! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/5 "2004-09-01T21:16:53Z")
It has been said that he [appeals to moral libertarians](http://www.renewamerica.us/keyes/quint.htm). I am thankful that I long ago admitted to my moral failure. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/6 "2004-09-01T21:18:56Z")
I hope escrow hasn’t closed yet on Keyes’s new home in Illinois, because even the Republicans are pretty much giving up on holding that seat. But hey, at least Keyes is being honest this time, as opposed to his tortured explanation as to why he’s not a H. Clinton-style carpetbagger. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/7 "2004-09-01T21:40:28Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > I hope escrow hasn’t closed yet on Keyes’s new home in Illinois, because even the Republicans are pretty much giving up on holding that seat. He’s renting. How we can go from moderate Republicans in this state (Jim Thompson, Jim Edgar) to this loon I’ll never figure out. ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/8 "2004-09-01T21:43:37Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I’d say Alan has just about nailed down the Flaming Loon vote. No! Say it ain’t so! Because I believe with all my heart that he can become far loonier between now and November. And if he thinks that he’s got the vote sewn up, he’ll stop. And then there’ll be onle less person to make me laugh. And that would be sad. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/9 "2004-09-01T22:56:12Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > With the world so overpopulated, isn’t choosing not to have kids an _altruistic_ act? God may have said be fruitful and multiply, but we’ve already done that! Now that multiplication has finished, Keyes, Bush, and their ilk are busy dividing and sub-dividing where necessary. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/10 "2004-09-02T01:27:08Z")
From the Keyes homepage link that **Lib** provided: > [@](#): > > Is capable of leading our country to widespread moral and political renewal, once all of America has a chance to see and hear, first-hand, his self-evident brilliance. And he seems to be completely serious. What more needs be said? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/11 "2004-09-02T01:39:36Z")
I guess there goes his prime time spot on the podium. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/12 "2004-09-02T01:44:33Z")
AFAIK, the record for a Democratic Senatorial candidate in the history of Illinois is 65% of the vote. This record may not last for much longer. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/13 "2004-09-02T01:53:23Z")
No one’s actually surprised by this, are they? Keyes is a certified nutball. I never thought I’d be embarrassed for Republicans, but the IL GOP has managed to prove me wrong. Thanks, guys, for making Illinoisans look like a bunch of idiots and picking this loony to run in our state. Aren’t there any Republicans already here who could have run? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/14 "2004-09-02T01:54:21Z")
I wouldn’t put much into whether Keyes said the “s-word” or not. In Christian speak, it would go without saying that Mary Cheney is a sinner. Everyone is a sinner, it is straight out the Bible (all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God–Rom 3:23). The fact that Keyes feels the need to highlight what he feels are her perticular sins, rather than attending to his own salvation, is the questionable part from a moral/theological perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Code\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea666f/32.png) [@Code\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Code_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/15 "2004-09-02T01:56:04Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I’d say Alan has just about nailed down the Flaming Loon vote. I thought that sect of the population was controlled by Ralph Nader \* \*Considering the two biggest candidates, I’m one of the Flaming Loon’s that would vote for him if I lived in the US ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/16 "2004-09-02T03:26:42Z")
Okay, so Cheney’s daughter is a sinner and a selfish hedonist. So what if she is? I’m not saying it’s so, but who cares? Is that some sort of horrible danger to anyone? What about Keyes himself? I guess he is perfect. Yeah right. I keep thinking of “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” and “Judge not lest ye be judged according to thine own standards”. Or is it “Someone who lives in a glass house…”? Just what is a moral libertarian? I thought the whole libertarian schtick was that everyone should mind their own business. I’ll buy the idea that everyone is a sinner. The problem is, it’s just so much fun! Maybe this guy should go back to his cornfield. I hear there are some scary kids with big scythes and knives in there. Maybe they can do something constructive with him. The guy is a screwball. “Only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the universe.” - Albert Einstein ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/17 "2004-09-02T04:08:22Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > Aren’t there any Republicans already here who could have run? They had already offered it to all the Republicans already in Illinois. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/18 "2004-09-02T04:13:22Z")
What were the Republicans thinking, having this nutbar represent them? He’s not just obnoxious - he’s STUPID. What kind of idiotic self-immolation moment was that for him to come out and call the Vice President’s daughter a hedonist, _at the freaking Republican National Convention_. That sound you heard in the background was the Republicans trampling over each other trying to distance themselves from him. He’s going to be awfully lonely in that election. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/19 "2004-09-02T04:19:06Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > What were the Republicans thinking, having this nutbar represent them? > > . Surely they could have found ONE Illinois republican willing to run? Even one that would have his name on the ballot but still refused to campaign? Heck, they could have run a dead guy in the campaign and it would turn out better for them. Unless someone has cleverly engineered this as a way to get Keyes out of the republican party for good? ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636/20 "2004-09-02T12:57:57Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Surely they could have found ONE Illinois republican willing to run? Even one that would have his name on the ballot but still refused to campaign? Keyes was engineered by conservative Republicans in the state who are trying to take control of the party after our last Repub governor was indicted in the licenses for bribes scandal. I suspect they might be questioning that strategy right about now, unless they still believe Keyes can appeal to downstate, rural voters. The main reason no “moderate” Republicans stepped up is that they see this as a losing battle. Obama has been well ahead in the poles, even with Ryan as an opponent. They’re looking forward and positioning themselves for a run for governor or other state-wide office next time – and don’t want a loss on their record. Keyes can sneak back to Maryland. My hope is that Keyes will go down in flames and the moderates can keep control of the party and become viable again. (Same reason I hope Bush loses big – I can no longer vote Republican with the crowd now controlling the party.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/keyes-sez-m-cheney-is-a-sinner/262636.md?page=2)