# KFC, let us discuss your frame of reference. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2003, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407 "2003-11-15T07:57:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![keithnmick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90db22/32.png) [@keithnmick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keithnmick)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/41 "2003-11-17T18:42:30Z")
It looks high to me too - the site I linked to (YUM Brands - parent company of KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell…etc) bases it’s DV on a 2000 calorie diet and it says for fat the amount consumed should be “less than 65g”. Just for grins I went back and configured a meal with 2 breasts original recipe, a side of mashed potatoes and gravy and a side of coleslaw and a medium pepsi and got a grand total of 1260 calories and 53.5 grams of fat. A whopper with cheese with a medium fries and a medium Coke has 1390 calories and 68g of fat. Here’s a good one - a single Cinnabon has 730 calories and 24g of fat! From here: [http://www.dietfacts.com/item.asp?itemid=9380](http://www.dietfacts.com/item.asp?itemid=9380) That would make Cinnabon diet food, according to KFCs own reasoning. I wonder what the results would be if you ate a whopper with cheese and bacon with a large fries and large coke, followed by a Cinnabon? I’m smelling lawsuit! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/42 "2003-11-17T18:43:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kung fu lola \* > \*\*If you want to eat healthy at Subway, here are a few tips (from moi, a current employee); > > Do not eat a BMT. > Do not ask for Caesar, Ranch or Southwest sauce. They are all fattier than our light mayo (most joints use ONLY light mayo now). > Choose cheese (if you have to) like provolone or swiss. Skip the cheddar.\*\* My brother, who also did time as a Subway employee, warned me to never **ever** eat the tuna. He says the same tuna can sit out for several days before it’s gone. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/43 "2003-11-17T20:28:22Z")
I was thinking about the McDonald’s lawsuits that were denied, and KFC’s newest marketing BS. Does KFC understand that by putting their brand out there as diet food, or healthy food, that they risk a lawsuit from people who wish not to take responsibility for their health? I really hope their staff lawyers are trying to pull this ad because the reason the McD’s lawsuits were denied was because McD’s never claimed to be healthy. KFC now does… Sam ---
**Author:** ![pencilpusher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d6d6ee/32.png) [@pencilpusher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pencilpusher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/44 "2003-11-17T20:58:10Z")
Fuck all you healt concious assholes!! I REALLY didn’t wanna know what the fat content of my favorite food was. Damn you all to McDonalds for ruining my wonder fat filled life. Now I gotta go to Popeyes and get me some healthy red beans and rice… ---
**Author:** ![keithnmick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90db22/32.png) [@keithnmick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keithnmick)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/45 "2003-11-17T21:13:01Z")
Link to one of the ads on this page: [http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39051](http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39051) ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/46 "2003-11-17T21:15:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by singular1 \* > \*\*Whoa, whoa, whoa, there! > KFC wouldn’t pass the Atkins diet unless you removed the batter-encrusted skin. > And why is it stupid? > It’s easy, it works for a lot of people and leaves them a lot healthier. \*\* you really shouldn’t have asked that. He’s probably going to post a 4000 word diatribe about the evils of the atkins diet consisting of vauge jogging metaphors and how his daughter’s playgroup represents the free market. ---
**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/47 "2003-11-17T21:17:12Z")
If you just lay off the mayonnaise on a Whopper, it cuts the fat almost in half (18g of 43 total). How ridiculous is that? (That’s a really cool calculator they have too.) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/48 "2003-11-17T21:18:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ivylass \* > \*\*When I lived in CT, the KFC up there had skinless fried chicken which was quite good. > > Was that just an experiment that never went anywhere? I haven’t seen it since. \*\* The ads, at least the ones around here, mention skinless chicken. Haven’t heard of their rotisserie chicken in years, though. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/49 "2003-11-17T21:23:01Z")
Healthy, **pencilpusher**? With [680 grams of sodium, 16.9 grams of fat, and 56.3% of calories from fat](http://www.cyberdiet.com/reg/ffq/), I’d hardly call it healthy. Daniel so going to food-Nazi hell for that ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/50 "2003-11-17T21:34:36Z")
Healthy, **pencilpusher**? With [680 grams of sodium, 16.9 grams of fat, and 56.3% of calories from fat](http://www.cyberdiet.com/reg/ffq/), I’d hardly call it healthy. Daniel so going to food-Nazi hell for that ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/51 "2003-11-17T21:36:20Z")
Especially if you have a double helping. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/52 "2003-11-17T21:46:28Z")
**LHoD** , I’m pretty sure the Red Beans & Rice thing was a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2003, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/53 "2003-11-17T22:04:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GaWd \* > \*\*I was thinking about the McDonald’s lawsuits that were denied, and KFC’s newest marketing BS. > > Does KFC understand that by putting their brand out there as diet food, or healthy food, that they risk a lawsuit from people who wish not to take responsibility for their health? > > I really hope their staff lawyers are trying to pull this ad because the reason the McD’s lawsuits were denied was because McD’s never claimed to be healthy. KFC now does… > > Sam \*\* I was wondering if it was to keep them out of the next lawsuit that will surely come up in a different district. “But…but…it couldn’t be us - we have less fat than A, B, and C!” ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2003, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/54 "2003-11-18T11:21:45Z")
Wait a second… Fatty foods are fatty? Unhealthy foods are unhealthy??? Greasy foods are greasy!!???!! **Why didn’t somebody tell me???** ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/55 "2003-11-18T13:09:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Katriona \* > \*\*I was wondering if it was to keep them out of the next lawsuit that will surely come up in a different district. “But…but…it couldn’t be us - we have less fat than A, B, and C!” \*\* Saying they have less fat than McDonald’s and Burger King is like saying their food has less salt than the ocean. It’s a meaningless comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/56 "2003-11-19T11:00:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\*Have some sympathy, and put yourself in the KFC’s advertising agency’s shoes. > > They come to you and say, “We need you to make an ad touting the health benefits of our products.” Just what are you going to do? \*\* New ad campaign: **KFC you’re gonna die anyway; might as well do it in style."** ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/57 "2003-11-19T14:29:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lord Ashtar \* > \*\*My brother, who also did time as a Subway employee, warned me to never **ever** eat the tuna. He says the same tuna can sit out for several days before it’s gone. \*\* Not at my Subway. It’s popular enough that we use up at least one (sometimes two) inserts-worth per day, so the turnover is fairly quick. If unmixed tuna or seafood salad sits in the fridge for more than 3 days, it gets tossed. Subways are franchises, so quality of food safety/enthusiam of employees can vary from location to location, depending on how badly the staff is treated. We have a wonderful owner and 90% of our employees do their job well. If any of you want a cheap sub, come to Subway on Peel street (Between St. Catherine and Rene-Levesque) between 5 PM and closing time on weekdays, ask for Emma, and say “Hi, Opal!” [/end hijack] ---
**Author:** ![stick\_monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@stick\_monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stick_monkey)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/58 "2003-11-19T18:25:18Z")
> [@](#): > > My brother, who also did time as a Subway employee, warned me to never ever eat the tuna. He says the same tuna can sit out for several days before it’s gone. I will second **Kung fu lola** ’s rebuttal above. Having worked in three different stores over a couple of years, I can say that the length of time anything took to sell not only depends on the individual store, but also on the time of year. Tuna tends to sell a lot better in the summer in my experience, just as the melts and other hot samwiches tended to sell better in the winter. On top of that, as lola mentioned, the rules say that any mixed tuna (or seafood) that hasn’t been used in 3 days has to be thrown out. If your brother’s subway doesn’t at least do that, it’s them that have the problem. And even at 2 or 3 days, it’s not like the stuff isn’t refridgerated the whole time, so there is almost no chance anything will go bad in that time. Mind you, I wouldn’t eat the tuna there for other reasons (all it is is tuna + gobs of mayo, and I hate mayo and don’t really like tuna), but unless a store has a tendency to handle their meat poorly or ignore dates and standards, I wouldn’t be worried about eating it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/59 "2003-11-19T22:03:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kung fu lola \* > \*\*come to Subway on Peel street …ask for Emma \*\* Emma on Peel Street? Awesome. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kfc-let-us-discuss-your-frame-of-reference/213407/60 "2003-11-20T19:32:38Z")
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