# KGS: sad. SDMB: sadder. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 23, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107 "2008-11-23T16:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/121 "2008-11-26T09:24:04Z")
Meh. Although there are posters who actually get crossed at KGS (Something quite futile, as it’s obvious that the man lives in his own particular universe), most people on that thread are just using KGS as an excuse for some good ol’ General Belief Bashing / Defending. And those are always fun. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/122 "2008-11-26T14:55:14Z")
> [@Aswan](#): > > Yes, I meant the Scientologists. Stupid, stupipd mistake made in haste. Mea culpa. > > Perhaps a demonstration is in order. Rewind to Ptolemy’s front porch. > > KGS: “The Earth is NOT the center of the universe!” > > SDBM: “You can’t be serious. Don’t you see the sun rise in the east and set in the west?” > > KGS: “That’s only what it looks like from here.” > > SDMB: “Can you support that with scientific evidence?” > > KGS: “Not yet. I waiting for Copernicus.” > > SDMB: “Oh, so you’ve got proof but you can’t show it to us.” > > KGS: “But it’s true, I tell you.” > > SDMB: “Get the torches and pitchforks, guys. This is gonna be fun.” This might have some relevance to KGS if anything KGS said actually was true. And to compare it to Fair Game shows a lack of understanding of what Fair Game actually is. Noone from the SDMB is turning up at KGS’;s house and telling his neighbours he’s a pedophi;le or trying to sue him to bankrupcy. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/123 "2008-11-26T15:37:29Z")
Well, almost no one. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/124 "2008-11-26T15:38:58Z")
Given the “inside joke” from before, I’m curious now whether KGS is not commenting on KGS’ gender because there are too many different KGSes in KGS’ head to come to a consensus. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/125 "2008-11-26T15:51:43Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Thank you for illustrating my point. And your point is…? That I should be diagnosing KGS over the internet and then treating him according to my opinion, disregarding his stated wishes? You don’t find your way of doing things just a little bit patronizing? Are you so 100% certain that YOU know what’s best for him, or even what’s really going on with him? It seems entirely possible to me now that he’s just having all of us on, but I am not sure. You, I bet, are sure you know exactly what’s going on. Because you’re an idiot, among other things. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/126 "2008-11-26T20:40:43Z")
> [@Ensign\_Edison](#): > > Given the “inside joke” from before, I’m curious now whether KGS is not commenting on KGS’ gender because there are too many different KGSes in KGS’ head to come to a consensus. Come to think, Nathaniel _does_ have an older sister… Dunno which “inside joke” you’re referring to, though. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/127 "2008-11-27T05:32:49Z")
> [@](#): > > **Rubystreak** : And your point is…? That I should be diagnosing KGS over the internet and then treating him according to my opinion, disregarding his stated wishes? You don’t find your way of doing things just a little bit patronizing? Are you so 100% certain that YOU know what’s best for him, or even what’s really going on with him? It seems entirely possible to me now that he’s just having all of us on, but I am not sure. You, I bet, are sure you know exactly what’s going on. Because you’re an idiot, among other things. Actually, I’ve made several points. The most recent is this: There is a middle ground between diagnosing KGS and being cruel to him. I have never suggested that anyone but an MD such diagnose him. He was admitted to a hospital for several days and when he left, he had a prescription. Both admission and the release and prescription require a doctor – although he doesn’t remember seeing one upon release. If **KGS** is a troll, then paying him negative attention with cruel remarks is feeding his need for attention. If **KGS** is not a troll, then it doesn’t take a specific diagnosis by a physician to see that he is not well. And it doesn’t take a classroom teacher to see that human kindness is never inappropriate – but takes many forms. Humiliation is never a good teacher, **Rubystreak**. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/128 "2008-11-28T21:51:20Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Humiliation is never a good teacher, **Rubystreak**. What are you attempting to use on me, Zoe? Deriding my capacities as a teacher as a way of shaming me for not treating poor KGS as you wish me to treat him, despite his own express wishes to the contrary? You are a hypocrite, Zoe. And please point to any instance of me trying to humiliate him, though I’m sure you cannot. I argued with him and treated him as an equal. You patronized and condescended to him. Yet somehow you find yourself to be superior here. You’re a piece of work. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/129 "2008-11-29T07:31:11Z")
> [@](#): > > **Rubystreak** : And please point to any instance of me(sic) trying to humiliate him, though I’m sure you cannot. I argued with him and treated him as an equal. **KGS** may not consider these statements to be humiliating, but teachers should recognize them as unprofessional and unethical because they are intended to humiliate: Post 19: > [@](#): > > I’m not qualified to say if he’s mentally ill, though I have my opinion, but I am qualified to say that, whether or not he’s crazy, he’s definitely an ass. Post 35: > [@](#): > > KGS is wrong and full of shit. Post 68: > [@](#): > > KGS is spouting nonsense. Naturally these comments are normal for the Pit. But you have said that you take him at his word. I take it that you have read his original posts about being admitted to the hospital recently for several days and given medication which he was told would be needed for the rest of his life and which he is not taking. Under those circumstances, I think your words were designed to humiliate him. There is the possibility, of course, that you see him as your equal, but you did not make it clear that you see yourself as “an ass,” one who is “wrong and full of shit,” and one who is “spouting nonsense.” ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/130 "2008-11-29T07:48:14Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **KGS** may not consider these statements to be humiliating, but teachers should recognize them as unprofessional and unethical because they are intended to humiliate: Wait a second: it’s unprofessional and unethical for me, as a teacher, to post in the Pit? How is anything in this or the other thread in any way related to my job as a teacher? Please, I’d like a justification for your illusory linkage between this thread and my job as a teacher, about which you know nothing. You’re way out of line in making this completely spurious ad hominem attack. You’ve set the bar pretty damn low for “humiliation.” Don’t get out much, do ya? Please, wag your Pit Nanny finger in someone else’s face. Your attempts to humiliate me are only serving to make you look foolish. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/131 "2008-11-29T15:55:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Wait a second: it’s unprofessional and unethical for me, as a teacher, to post in the Pit? No. It’s unlikely that someone with as much training in psychology as a teacher would have would fail to see those statements as being over the line for someone just out of a mental hospital. > [@](#): > > How is anything in this or the other thread in any way related to my job as a teacher? Please, I’d like a justification for your illusory linkage between this thread and my job as a teacher, about which you know nothing. Remember the **Code of Ethics of the Education Profession** – the Preamble and Principle II? > [@](#): > > You’re way out of line in making this completely spurious ad hominem attack. You asked me to “…Please point to any instance of me(sic) trying to humiliate him, though I’m sure you cannot.” So I did that. The fact that you do not see these as inappropriate for someone who just got out of a mental hospital speaks for itself. > [@](#): > > You’ve set the bar pretty damn low for “humiliation.” Don’t get out much, do ya? I’m not certain how one sentence necessarily follows another. I didn’t get out much for many years because of my own mental illness. I’ve become more and more active over the past few years as the mood has struck me. In the last year i have been unusually active. > [@](#): > > Please, wag your Pit Nanny finger in someone else’s face. Your attempts to humiliate me are only serving to make you look foolish. So if I criticize you, I’m a “Pit Nanny.” If you criticize KGS, you are treating him as an equal. I can’t roll my eyes back far enough. If you don’t want to see my Pit Nanny finger, stay out of the Pit. My comments about you are only opinions and I will continue to express them. Just be glad that what I have to say about you is only serving to make me “look foolish,” as you put it. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/132 "2008-11-29T16:13:09Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > No. It’s unlikely that someone with as much training in psychology as a teacher Oh goodie. It’s Zoe again doing her psychic detective thing where she can tell, across the internet, what profession people are. I would say it’s delusions of grandeur, but I think it’s more correctly called delusions of near competence. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/133 "2008-11-29T16:26:58Z")
My god, **Zoe** , if everyone followed the code of ethics and conduct they’re supposed to follow at work while they were on the internet, the internet would fucking DIE. **Rubystreak** needs to be nice to a nutjob in the Pit because she’s also a teacher? In your world, doctors never swat bugs because they’re supposed to “do no harm,” authors never tell other people’s jokes because that would be plagiarism, and no psychiatrist anywhere would ever under any circumstances call anyone else a “fucking loon,” because they’re PROFESSIONALS, damnit! I can only imagine the sweltering genius you contain, which gives you the ability to determine the proper behavior for everyone else at all times. The pressure must be unbelievable for you to police the rest of us deluded assholes and help us tell Right from Wrong. If you castigate, like, 100 individual Pit posters, do you get a badge or something? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/134 "2008-11-29T16:33:09Z")
If you were in one of the professions, other than being a goddess, of course, you might be able to form a reasonable opinion about whether someone is a little out of place in a classroom or not. And that is my opinion of **Rubystreak.** Of course our schools are full of teachers these days that shouldn’t have received a high school diploma. Standards have deteriorated terribly. Now with the other person accused of not being a professor, that was not a matter of being psychic. That was a matter of not being ignorant. You seem to have a burr up your butt about me lately. You’ve always got something to say about me. Are you just trying to get my attention? Is there something you need? Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you are a professional. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/135 "2008-11-29T16:41:46Z")
I wanted to point out somewhere that Atheism isn’t a ‘problem’ or a defect as KGS seemed to imply. I believed in ghosts when I was a little boy too. And God (who often liked to urinate on us) ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/136 "2008-11-29T16:49:48Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > I wanted to point out somewhere that Atheism isn’t a ‘problem’ or a defect as KGS seemed to imply. > > I believed in ghosts when I was a little boy too. And God (who often liked to urinate on us) Hang on? So God’s not stamping his feet when it’s thundering? Who’s throwing those lightning bolts then? ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/137 "2008-11-29T17:00:39Z")
Boringly: I never connected thunder and lightning with God. Just the ‘rain’. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/138 "2008-11-29T17:04:36Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Hang on? So God’s not stamping his feet when it’s thundering? Who’s throwing those lightning bolts then? Well, when ice forms inside a cloud, there’s this separation of positive and negatively charged molecules that… uh… ahh… Huh. Fine, I don’t really know either. I’m saying that it’s Thor. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/139 "2008-11-29T17:46:19Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > You seem to have a burr up your butt about me lately. You’ve always got something to say about me. Are you just trying to get my attention? Is there something you need? Sure, Zoe. You are my life, my sun and my stars. Or maybe you’re just a vicious bitch who lies on the internet who deserves recognition for your batshittery. Brava, psychic detective. Brava. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2008, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107/140 "2008-11-29T17:52:46Z")
> [@Hamadryad](#): > > I can only imagine the sweltering genius you contain, which gives you the ability to determine the proper behavior for everyone else at all times. Frankly, I’d like to see a grudge match between the Zoe, Psychic Detective and KGS, Aura Reader. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kgs-sad-sdmb-sadder/474107.md?page=8)