# Khaaaaannnnnn!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977 "2011-07-06T02:04:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tanbarkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Tanbarkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanbarkie)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/21 "2011-07-06T15:57:50Z")
> [@panamajack](#): > > They sort of stick in your head, don’t they? > > (The little-known truth is that those were earworms in a more figurative sense, too. Once inside, they just sing songs over and over. The captain’s happened to be William Shatner songs. He wasn’t trying to kill Kirk; he was trying to stop the music.) “I’m… Slimshady… Yes I’m… The… Real Shady… Allyouother Slim… Shadysare… just imitating… So… won’tthereal… Slim Shady… Pleasestandup. Pleasestandup. Pleasestandup.” “How can anyone do a spoken word version of a rap song?” “He found a way.” ---
**Author:** ![mrklutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@mrklutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrklutz)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/22 "2011-07-06T16:40:14Z")
And let us not forget Cory Doctorow’s graph showing the distribution of [KH(Ax)N](http://boingboing.net/2009/01/16/how-many-aaaaas-in-k.html) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/23 "2011-07-06T16:45:24Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Have some Romulan ale. I got a ship that brings me in a case every now and then across the Neutral Zone. Hey, I only use it for medicinal purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/24 "2011-07-06T16:46:48Z")
> [@mrklutz](#): > > And let us not forget Cory Doctorow’s graph showing the distribution of [KH(Ax)N](http://boingboing.net/2009/01/16/how-many-aaaaas-in-k.html) That’s a lot of 'a’s. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/25 "2011-07-06T16:54:55Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > Except how she was the only other Vulcan at Spock’s funeral, and she was crying! Vulcans have emotions - indeed, in many respects their emotions are stronger than human emotions, which is one of the reasons they adopted the philosophy of suppressing them. They spend their entire lives trying to learn to suppress emotion. Saavik’s a young Vulcan who just lost a mentor she worshipped, so it’s not at all unexpected in the Star Trek universe that he facade would crack a little. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/26 "2011-07-06T18:27:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Vulcans have emotions - indeed, in many respects their emotions are stronger than human emotions, which is one of the reasons they adopted the philosophy of suppressing them. They spend their entire lives trying to learn to suppress emotion. Saavik’s a young Vulcan who just lost a mentor she worshipped, so it’s not at all unexpected in the Star Trek universe that he facade would crack a little. Wanked like a true fan! said with love, from a guy who has a tricorder in his den. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/27 "2011-07-06T18:35:02Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > Wanked like a true fan! It’s not a wank at all, it’s in plain sight in the films and TV shows. I’m not a huge fan, though I enjoy the movies. That Vulcans have emotions is referred to again and again and again throughout the shows and movies; they repress them. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/28 "2011-07-06T18:42:32Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s not a wank at all, it’s in plain sight in the films and TV shows. I’m not a huge fan, though I enjoy the movies. That Vulcans have emotions is referred to again and again and again throughout the shows and movies; they repress them. suppress, not repress - but there is the Kholinar where they can work to purge all emotion. In the novelization for TWOK - not only does Saavik lose her Mentor (Spock) - she also loses her mentee (Midshipman Preston, Scotty’s Nephew). In the book, she rips a few chairs from the bulkheads upon the news of Preston’s death. eta - I always thought there was a difference between repress and suppress - but upon checking dictionary, realize there is not, so ignore that pedantic part of my first sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/29 "2011-07-06T19:05:03Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > The password to take complete control (remotely) of a starship is a simple 5 digit number. With that kind of security I could control an entire fleet of starships using nothing more than the laptop I’m typing on right now! Dark Helmet: So the combination is… one, two, three, four, five? That’s the stupidest combination I’ve ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage! Skroob: 1,2,3,4,5? Thats the same combination I have on my luggage! ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/30 "2011-07-06T19:05:42Z")
Okay, why is she called _Mister_ Saavik? You know you can get a ringtone of _“Khaaaaaan!”__That_ would wake people up! ---
**Author:** ![Carnacki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Carnacki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnacki)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/31 "2011-07-06T19:12:29Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s not a wank at all, it’s in plain sight in the films and TV shows. I’m not a huge fan, though I enjoy the movies. That Vulcans have emotions is referred to again and again and again throughout the shows and movies; they repress them. For instance, Spock smiles and laughs in the pilot. [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0nWCHlqGk&feature=related)at 2 minutes in. I just finished reading the Star Trek novel To Reign in Hell, which describes the events on Ceti Alpha 5 after Khan was marooned. According to the book, they were only there 6-months before Ceti Alpha 6 exploded, which I think agrees with the second movie. Not necessarily a good book or anything, but it’s interesting to imagine being marooned for 15 years, 14 1/2 of which involve living on a barren wasteland. I can see wanted a little revenge… ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/32 "2011-07-06T19:17:16Z")
> [@a35362](#): > > Okay, why is she called _Mister_ Saavik? > > You know you can get a ringtone of _“Khaaaaaan!”__That_ would wake people up! In Naval Command it is proper to refer to a Lieutenant as Mr. regardless of their actual gender. Or so I read somewhere - ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/33 "2011-07-06T22:46:40Z")
> [@Carnacki](#): > > For instance, Spock smiles and laughs in the pilot. [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0nWCHlqGk&feature=related)at 2 minutes in. > > I just finished reading the Star Trek novel To Reign in Hell, which describes the events on Ceti Alpha 5 after Khan was marooned. According to the book, they were only there 6-months before Ceti Alpha 6 exploded, which I think agrees with the second movie. Not necessarily a good book or anything, but it’s interesting to imagine being marooned for 15 years, 14 1/2 of which involve living on a barren wasteland. I can see wanted a little revenge… And as I’ve said before, if you turn your back on civilised life in the Federation because you have no intention of trying to be part of any society where you’re not top dog, and proudly declaim “Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven!”, you don’t get to be sore at the guy who rewarded you with freedom after you tried to murder him in cold blood just because Hell turned out to be Hell after all (and not the unearned Eden you were actually hoping for) through no fault of anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Carnacki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Carnacki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnacki)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/34 "2011-07-06T23:25:05Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > And as I’ve said before, if you turn your back on civilised life in the Federation because you have no intention of trying to be part of any society where you’re not top dog, and proudly declaim “Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven!”, you don’t get to be sore at the guy who rewarded you with freedom after you tried to murder him in cold blood just because Hell turned out to be Hell after all (and not the unearned Eden you were actually hoping for) through no fault of anyone. Minor nitpick, if I recall correctly, he doesn’t proudly proclaim anything… just asks Kirk if he’s read Milton. 🙂 But your point stands. There’s a reason Khan went insane in those 15 years, but it’s not a good excuse for him being a dick… ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/36 "2011-07-07T18:05:55Z")
> [@a35362](#): > > Okay, why is she called _Mister_ Saavik? > > You know you can get a ringtone of _“Khaaaaaan!”__That_ would wake people up! > [@simster](#): > > In Naval Command it is proper to refer to a Lieutenant as Mr. regardless of their actual gender. > > Or so I read somewhere - This was something that didn’t get fully explained in canon until _Voyager_. Starfleet protocol calls for [“Sir”](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Military_parlance#Sir) regardless of gender. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/37 "2011-07-07T18:34:35Z")
Yep, Janeway said don’t worry about using Sir or Ma’am, just call her Captain. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/38 "2011-07-07T19:12:27Z")
> [@amnesia57](#): > > I believe this was done once or twice during the original series, although I’d be hard pressed to cite a specific example. I seem to remember seeing simple line-drawing graphics on the bridge viewscreen. In “Balance of Terror”, they stuck up a map of the Neutral Zone, the Fed outposts, and a blinking cursor for the E’s position. They also use the “Tactical” mode in _The Motion Picture_. ---
**Author:** ![Tanbarkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Tanbarkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanbarkie)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/39 "2011-07-07T20:12:09Z")
> [@amnesia57](#): > > One thing that bothers me about this movie is how the photon torpedos are depicted as solid objects, like torpedos in present-day submarines. We even see them being laboriously loaded into launching tubes in a low-tech manner. I always assumed they were some kind of energy weapon. They’re depicted this way in every Star Trek movie (remember Spock and Bones “performing surgery” on a torpedo in VI?). Phasers are directed energy weapons, while photon torpedoes are, well, torpedoes - a package of explosives in a launchable casing that detonates upon impact. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/40 "2011-07-07T20:56:24Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > One thing I had never noticed until this viewing is how they use the view screen Fan that I am, it always amused me to see everyone so intent on using the forward facing window on a star ship to manoeuvre at speed or shoot at another ship on TV. I liked the extra displays for the crew to use in TWOK, like the targeting computer showing us the Reliant’s phasers zeroing in on Enterprise’s vital spots. That bit never seemed to bother fans as much as Chekov recognising Khan, that he knew where to target Enterprise to cause maximum damage, when in the film before Kirk himself barely knows the ship’s new layout. I guess they could have tried the library for specs. But then why go to the bother of learning Klingon proverbs? (Other than the fact that he can recite them so well?) > [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > I guess it’s fixed by the time the Sovereign class is rolled out [They had a fix released for the version of LCARS on Galaxy Class vessels](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVdg_1g5ukM&t=0m15s). ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/41 "2011-07-07T20:58:49Z")
> [@Tanbarkie](#): > > They’re depicted this way in every Star Trek movie (remember Spock and Bones “performing surgery” on a torpedo in VI?). Phasers are directed energy weapons, while photon torpedoes are, well, torpedoes - a package of explosives in a launchable casing that detonates upon impact. Right. But the physical (unfired) torpedo chassis themselves were not depicted until the Star Trek II movie. If you check out the Memory Alpha entry on the weapon, it states that in the book “The Making of Star Trek”, photon torpedoes were described as “energy pods of matter and anitmatter”. Page down to the “Background” section here, third entry: > **[Photon torpedo](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Photon_torpedo)** > > Photon torpedoes were warp-capable tactical matter/antimatter weapons commonly deployed aboard starships and starbases by various organizations. Photon torpedoes, often abbreviated as "photons", were called Pu'DaH dak cha in Klingonese. (TNG: "The... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977.md?page=3)