# Khaaaaannnnnn!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977 "2011-07-06T02:04:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/43 "2011-07-07T23:40:52Z")
Not only are the basic themes of revenge, aging and personal sacrifice timeless, the “Genesis” concept is, if anything, even _more_ resonant today because we have a better idea of how it might actually be done, i.e. the “Genesis wave” that sweeps over the planet isn’t some kind of exotic energy, but a “wave” of fast-replicating nanobots that carve up and re-form the surface in their wake. Plus the animated demo still looks kind of nifty. Best Trek movie by a wide margin. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/44 "2011-07-08T00:00:57Z")
I know that I’m nitpicking but how could the crew of the Reliant fall to Kahn & Co? Why is every other starship in the fleet except the Enterprise a pushover? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/45 "2011-07-08T00:08:35Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > I know that I’m nitpicking but how could the crew of the Reliant fall to Kahn & Co? Why is every other starship in the fleet except the Enterprise a pushover? Kahn & Co were “genetically engineered supermen, bred to be free of the usual human mental and physical limitations.” > **[Khan Noonien Singh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Noonien_Singh)** > > Khan Noonien Singh is a fictional character in the Star Trek science fiction franchise who first appeared as the main antagonist in the Star Trek: The Original Series episode "Space Seed" (1967), and was portrayed by Ricardo Montalbán, who reprised his role in the 1982 film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. In the 2013 film Star Trek Into Darkness, he is portrayed by Benedict Cumberbatch. > Khan controlled more than a quarter of the Earth during the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s. After being revive... ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/46 "2011-07-08T00:14:07Z")
Terrific movie,although I have always loved IV and VI a lot too. The Kobayashi Maru test.I LOVED the dialogue where Kirk explains tohis whiny pathetic son how he beat the test. And Kirstie Alley was gorgeous while her replacement,Robin Curtis,was not. And how come a hottie like Kim Cattrall was so unappealing in VI? On the DVD commentary they talk on how word leaked out that Spock would die. So they had the opening scene where he is “killed” in Saavik’s test to try to make the audience think “okay, this is what those Spock dies rumours were about, it’s just a test” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/47 "2011-07-08T01:22:18Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > I know that I’m nitpicking but how could the crew of the Reliant fall to Kahn & Co? Why is every other starship in the fleet except the Enterprise a pushover? The Captain and Chekov were already under Khan’s control (he bugged them) - they called to the ship and had a number of crew beamed down, then beamed up and bugged the needed engineering crew. If memory of the novelization is correct, the majority of the Reliants crew was left on the surface of Ceti Alpha 5. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/48 "2011-07-08T02:16:08Z")
> [@Carnacki](#): > > Minor nitpick, if I recall correctly, he doesn’t proudly proclaim anything… just asks Kirk if he’s read Milton. 🙂 I’m pretty sure “Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven” is spoken there somewhere…does Scotty ask Kirk about it? ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/49 "2011-07-08T02:22:26Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > [They had a fix released for the version of LCARS on Galaxy Class vessels](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVdg_1g5ukM&t=0m15s). [It still has some bugs though](http://databsod.ytmnd.com/). ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/50 "2011-07-08T04:18:25Z")
> [@simster](#): > > If memory of the novelization is correct, the majority of the Reliants crew was left on the surface of Ceti Alpha 5. Actually, that is stated by Captain Terrell in the film. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/51 "2011-07-08T04:24:20Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#): > > And Kirstie Alley was gorgeous while her replacement,Robin Curtis,was not. Don’t be dissing Robin Curtis. I have a picture of me and her from 1993 and I’m doing the “raised fingers behind the head” bit to her, with a Vulcan salute. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/52 "2011-07-08T14:46:33Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#): > > And how come a hottie like Kim Cattrall was so unappealing in VI? I blame the haircut they gave her. (Or was that a wig?) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/53 "2011-07-08T14:52:56Z")
I like the button that made the rounds at science fiction conventions years later – _Not tonight, Checkhov…I have an earache_ ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/54 "2011-07-08T15:06:29Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > [They had a fix released for the version of LCARS on Galaxy Class vessels](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVdg_1g5ukM&t=0m15s). That is actually Data establishing a PIN - presumably that long so that no one but him could possibly undo it. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/55 "2011-07-11T07:18:45Z")
> [@a35362](#): > > Okay, why is she called _Mister_ Saavik? > > You know you can get a ringtone of _“Khaaaaaan!”__That_ would wake people up! I believe that she is Mister like Spock was Mister Spock. The second in command is called Mister. She was second in command to Captain Spock. The Enterprise was a training vessel. Others may have the same rank but calling him or her mister shows their rank on this ship. Like Mister Roberts. I’m only inferring this from movies and such I am not a naval officer nor do I play one on tv. the bedroom…😉 [btw, my ringtone is the five tones from CE3K] Actually the CGI in the Genesis proposal was some sort of movie first. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/56 "2011-07-11T09:26:48Z")
But Kirk has addressed other officers using the term “mister.” And, depending on how it was said, it could actually be used derogatorily. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/57 "2011-07-11T09:49:35Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But Kirk has addressed other officers using the term “mister.” And, depending on how it was said, it could actually be used derogatorily. In the Navy, and presumably Starfleet, it’s always used by a superior officer addressing a subordinate officer, never the other way around, so naturally it can be used as a sign of superiority, like how Saavik addresses Sulu during the Kobayashi Maru test. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/58 "2011-07-11T10:24:32Z")
> [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](#): > > In the Navy, and presumably Starfleet, it’s always used by a superior officer addressing a subordinate officer, never the other way around, so naturally it can be used as a sign of superiority, like how Saavik addresses Sulu during the Kobayashi Maru test. Does that also apply to women? ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/59 "2011-07-11T12:33:12Z")
Jesus, how many ignore lists am I on? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/60 "2011-07-11T13:00:27Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Does that also apply to women? Spock addresses her as “Mr. Saavik.” ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/61 "2011-07-11T14:26:39Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Jesus, how many ignore lists am I on? Who said that? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977/62 "2011-07-11T15:22:27Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Who said that? > > -Joe That would be Lt. Riley some time after his debut of “I’ll take you home again, Kathleen.” failed miserably. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/khaaaaannnnnn/587977.md?page=4)