# kickstarter policy and an assault-y PUA primer **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 21, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-policy-and-an-assault-y-pua-primer/661581 "2013-06-21T19:56:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-policy-and-an-assault-y-pua-primer/661581/61 "2013-06-25T00:00:11Z")
[Here’s](http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/f6ve5/fr_tofutofus_physical_pushpull_as_an_opener_short/) another entry in the Ken Hoinsky reddit rape series. Posted under his reddit handle, TofuTofu, it’s perfect for those times when negging just isn’t enough. He calls it Physical Push/Pull, but that sounds dumb. Instead, I like to call it “The Ol’ Shove 'n Love”. Behold. > [@](#): > > I was field testing it as an OPENER in the club yesterday and my GOD did it work. I highly recommend some of you guys try this out, but it’s not for the faint of heart. > > Example: > > [see girl on dancefloor or near bar] > > [approach] > > [hook her in with your arm] “Aww you’re so cute. Come here.” > > [shove her aside HARD, seemingly randomly] > > [approach someone else and say hi] > > [Turn around. About 75% of the time she’ll be staring at you with a huge grin on her face.] > > [Walk back over to her.] “You really are so cute, you know that?” > > [repeat] > > This is one of those “reality destroyer” openers where girls have NO IDEA what just happened. You can open as many sets as you want throughout the club/bar this way and decide which ones you wanna pursue further at your leisure. > > I did this yesterday in a dance club. > > I re-open a girl by walking up, grabbing her, caveman-ing her against the wall & kissing her. Then I cast her aside and get a drink at the bar. The entire time she is staring like “OMG who is this guy?” (in a good way). > > I come back to her with my drink. “Come on, let’s go.” > > I walk her to the corner, escalate kino, smalltalk a bit. Fast forward and guess who is getting a BJ in the dark corner of the club? THIS GUY! Oh, this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-policy-and-an-assault-y-pua-primer/661581/62 "2013-06-25T00:04:32Z")
> [@colander](#): > > [Here’s](http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/f6ve5/fr_tofutofus_physical_pushpull_as_an_opener_short/) another entry in the Ken Hoinsky reddit rape series. Posted under his reddit handle, TofuTofu, it’s perfect for those times when negging just isn’t enough. He calls it Physical Push/Pull, but that sounds dumb. Instead, I like to call it “The Ol’ Shove 'n Love”. Behold. > > Oh, this guy. I will admit I have zero game with women in clubs, but I have a difficult time believing that shoving some girl like that you’ve never seen is going to get a positive reaction. Sounds like one of those fifth grade boys who thought picking on girls was a good way to show them he liked them. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-policy-and-an-assault-y-pua-primer/661581/63 "2013-06-25T00:30:14Z")
Yep the guy doesn’t have a clue. And the supposed BJ in the nightclub…sounds exactly like the kind of claim teenage boys make to their bros. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-policy-and-an-assault-y-pua-primer/661581/64 "2013-06-25T01:32:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s a moral issue, and morally we need to consider the fact that everyone should have the right to make a fool or themselves and everyone has the right to NOT buy a product. Why do we need to consider this false choice? The First Amendment restricts the power of the government to suppress speech. You’re implying it says we should all live and let live and let people say or buy and sell whatever they like, but there’s nothing like that in the First Amendment. The First Amendment actually does the exact opposite because it empowers people to organize and protest against things that they don’t like. And I think it would be pretty easy to argue that a society that won’t say anything about illegal or immoral behavior is worse than a society where everybody says ‘eh, go ahead- doesn’t affect me.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-policy-and-an-assault-y-pua-primer/661581.md?page=3)