# Kickstarter to prove that God exists. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 29, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279 "2015-08-29T13:36:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/1 "2015-08-29T13:36:31Z")
This is funny. This guy wants to recreate Darwin’s journey to the Galapagos in order to prove him wrong. Am I wrong in suspecting that he just wants a free trip? Then again, the guy nearly has his “Maters degree” - in psychology! - so he clearly knows what he’s talking about. At the moment that I’m posting this there are only 6 backers, for a total amount of $6.66. (Those 6 _must_ have coordinated that. :D) All he has to do is increase that to $75,000 in order to be fully funded. [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2005551709/finding-proof-god-exists](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2005551709/finding-proof-god-exists) > [@](#): > > Proving GOD Exists > > ``` > In order to prove God exists we have to eliminate the idea that evolution is all-encompassing. I believe in evolution on a small scale. We see evolution from a maggot to a fly. However, to say that humans came from a single cell organism is a bit far fetched. I believe the populist has accepted the idea of evolution due to the lack of evidence of the contrary. Currently evolution is being taught in public schools as a fact, and new generations do not accept intelligent design. > > I am graduating with my Maters degree in psychology and entering into my Doctorial program at Arizona State University. I plan to concentrate in Evolutionary Psychology and Child Psychology. I am currently working on my Doctorial thesis that will follow Charles Darwin’s journey to the Galapagos Islands. By following the steps and research of Darwin my researchers and I can detail the evidence and experiments that Darwin used for his Theory of Evolution. By following in Darwin’s footsteps, I hope to prove that evolution is confined into stages. Each stage will allow evolution to occur but is limited to a self-sustaining longitudinal circle. Publishing this theory with a documentary film and publications, we can eliminate the over all idea that evolution is all-encompassing. The above idea is step one of a multi step plan to change the view of evolution by proving that certain aspects could not have evolved without being created by an intelligent design. I am not out to promote a region or way of life. I just believe there has got to be a better answer than all in compassing evolution. Thank you for reading this. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/2 "2015-08-29T13:50:10Z")
Darwin published his evidence. Why can’t this guy simply revisit that evidence to prove that Darwin misinterpreted it? Unless he just wants a trip to the Galapagos, which I guess is a fair reason. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/3 "2015-08-29T14:05:28Z")
> [@Kickstarter](#): > > … We see evolution from a maggot to a fly. … That’s about all we need to know about his scientific thinking. He doesn’t even know what the word means. It is to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/4 "2015-08-29T14:09:36Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Am I wrong in suspecting that he just wants a free trip? > [@Frank](#): > > Unless he just wants a trip to the Galapagos, which I guess is a fair reason. Considering his Kickstarter page has not one, but two fundraising goals - $75k with film and production crew, _ **$55k without** _ - it’s patently obvious the film is of secondary importance to the trip in his mind. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/5 "2015-08-29T14:40:16Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That’s about all we need to know about his scientific thinking. He doesn’t even know what the word means. > > It is to laugh. It is clear that he got his degree from the Pokemon Battle Institute. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/6 "2015-08-29T15:27:51Z")
What’s his plan? Land on the Galapagos, drag his knuckles around for a while, notice that the tortoises aren’t turning into T-Rexes and go “aha! Told you so!”? Oops, tortoises not turtles! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/7 "2015-08-29T16:04:46Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > What’s his plan? Land on the Galapagos, drag his knuckles around for a while, notice that the tortoises aren’t turning into T-Rexes and go “aha! Told you so!”? > > Oops, tortoises not turtles! Oh oh, does it means that he will try to replicate also when Darwin eat the tortoises? [“Well, they were **so** edible!”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsWX8JtQrPU) - Stephen Fry on QI ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/8 "2015-08-29T17:05:38Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Darwin published his evidence. Why can’t this guy simply revisit that evidence to prove that Darwin misinterpreted it? Unless he just wants a trip to the Galapagos, which I guess is a fair reason. Bingo. He just wants to visit Galapagos. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/9 "2015-08-29T17:08:28Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That’s about all we need to know about his scientific thinking. He doesn’t even know what the word means. It’s fun to mock the guy, but he has some interesting points. Like, you’d figure he’d want to directly engage with the populace, but that’s not the case: _“I believe the populist has accepted the idea of evolution due to the lack of evidence of the contrary.”_ So, who is The Populist: a misguided demagogue, a redeemable supervillain? I dunno, but, apparently, you set that one dude straight and the rest falls into place. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/10 "2015-08-29T17:19:47Z")
Huh, I’d have guessed somebody with (almost) a Maters degree would be fine with sexual selection ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/11 "2015-08-29T17:37:56Z")
Although too much studying one’s Mater causes blindness. Ask old [Oedipus - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus) how that worked for him. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/12 "2015-08-29T17:47:04Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Then again, the guy nearly has his “Maters degree” - in psychology! - so he clearly knows what he’s talking about. I wonder how he got into a “Doctorial” program. I also wonder what a “self-sustaining longitudinal circle” is. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/13 "2015-08-29T17:49:06Z")
Ah, another [Amazing Journey](http://www.pledgeweak.com/amazing-journeys-of-incredible-discovery/) of [Incredible Discovery](http://www.pledgeweak.com/amazing-journeys-of-incredible-discovery-2/)! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/14 "2015-08-29T18:00:16Z")
I’m thinking that’s a home-grown mater’s degree. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/15 "2015-08-29T18:04:56Z")
6 backers pledging 6.66 total. This is fucking perfect. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/16 "2015-08-29T18:13:50Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I also wonder what a “self-sustaining longitudinal circle” is. Dunno, but it sounds pretty “all in compassing” to me. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/17 "2015-08-29T18:25:26Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I wonder how he got into a “Doctorial” program. > > I also wonder what a “self-sustaining longitudinal circle” is. A freezbee? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/18 "2015-08-29T18:35:38Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That’s about all we need to know about his scientific thinking. He doesn’t even know what the word means. > > It is to laugh. That’s exactly what I thought. To take it a step further, how can he believe that evolution exists on small scale such as from a maggot to a fly, but not believe that humans came from single celled organisms…like gametes/zygotes/sperms/eggs? Like you said, he doesn’t even appear to know what evolution is. That’s going to make it mighty hard to disprove. Also, proving that evolution doesn’t exist wouldn’t prove the existence of god. It would imply that something other than evolution created humans, but not necessarily a higher being. Don’t they make people take some kind of logic class to get a masters degree? I took as part of my undergrad. It’s like saying “I’ve proven that lochness monster doesn’t exist, therefor it was a black bear covered in seaweed in those pictures”. Sorry buddy, you can prove half your statement, but proving the other part is a whole other thing that isn’t implied from the first. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/19 "2015-08-29T18:46:49Z")
I’m intrigued by the [poster](http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/animalsevolution_lg.jpg) he has on his site. It appears to be some kind of depiction of Haeckel’s recapitulation theories. I imagine the “self-sustaining longitudinal circles” have something to do with the arcs connecting the different “grades” of organization. It’s fascinating how creationists think that all they have to do is disprove Darwin’s own findings, and the whole edifice of evolutionary biology constructed over the past 150 years will collapse. ETA: The human couple in the upper left of the poster are looking suspiciously cozy for a scientific chart. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279/20 "2015-08-29T18:55:08Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’m intrigued by the [poster](http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/animalsevolution_lg.jpg) he has on his site. It appears to be some kind of depiction of Haeckel’s recapitulation theories. I imagine the “self-sustaining longitudinal circles” have something to do with the arcs connecting the different “grades” of organization. > > It’s fascinating how creationists think that all they have to do is disprove Darwin’s own findings, and the whole edifice of evolutionary biology constructed over the past 150 years will collapse. Coincidentally, just today I saw this video: [What Grinds My Gears](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km3SjylUBBI) Just wait until the second half for the pwnage to begin. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kickstarter-to-prove-that-god-exists/729279.md?page=2)