# Kid flying camera equipped drone over beach assaulted for being a pervert. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659 "2014-06-12T22:12:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/181 "2014-06-13T21:56:28Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > There is no legal definition of personal space. Are you seriously claiming that such thing doesn’t exist? That is a concept foreign to you? Then there’s nothing I need to respect, legally. And there’s nothing you can do about it, legally, except walk away and maybe holler incoherently. I can walk right up to you and start clicking away with my camera, no harm no foul. You’ve failed to show any kind of harm in having your picture taken. You’ve failed to raise a single objection public photography beyond “it makes me uncomfortable”, which isn’t a reason for anyone to stop doing jack shit. Ya know what makes me uncomfortable? Seeing your posts on this message board. Are you going to stop posting? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/182 "2014-06-13T21:58:23Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > And they can get mad at you. But then what? They can ask you to stop, but what if you don’t? Some people will leave. Others will call you names. Others may try to hit you. Others may ignore you. Others may go home and cry. Others may try to flirt. What you can’t tell me is that you expect no interaction at all, or that you would be surprised if such interaction happens. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/183 "2014-06-13T21:58:50Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > You don’t. You use your own standards for what you consider your private parcel in the world. Well, maybe not you, but at least most people do. I don’t consider anything to be my “private parcel in the world” beyond my own property lines and my own body. WHY WOULD I? There’s no legal right, no precedent, nothing in this world that would ever give me the impression that there is any such thing. Why would I simply arbitrarily decide that there was??? ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/184 "2014-06-13T22:02:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Then there’s nothing I need to respect, legally. And there’s nothing you can do about it, legally, except walk away and maybe holler incoherently. I can walk right up to you and start clicking away with my camera, no harm no foul. > > You’ve failed to show any kind of harm in having your picture taken. You’ve failed to raise a single objection public photography beyond “it makes me uncomfortable”, which isn’t a reason for anyone to stop doing jack shit. > > Ya know what makes me uncomfortable? Seeing your posts on this message board. Are you going to stop posting? :dubious: Yes! Of course I would! I’m not a jerk, I don’t want to ruin your day. What sort of sociopath would keep on posting in a board if he knows that he’s harming somebody while doing it? And I’m fine if you don’t care about my feelings enough to stop taking pictures of me, as long as you don’t break any laws while doing it. I’m just saying that you shouldn’t be that surprised that others don’t think like you. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/185 "2014-06-13T22:04:07Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I don’t consider anything to be my “private parcel in the world” beyond my own property lines and my own body. WHY WOULD I? There’s no legal right, no precedent, nothing in this world that would ever give me the impression that there is any such thing. Why would I simply arbitrarily decide that there was??? Because that’s natural behaviour. Because we are social animals. Because we have unwritten rules about the way we should treat each other, and that includes respecting each other spaces. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/186 "2014-06-13T22:27:27Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > And your belief that he went “to the beach just to take pictures of people in their bathing suits without their consent” is based on what evidence, exactly? Reading back what I said, it was “…and I disagree with that because its my opinion that going to the beach just to take pictures of people in their bathing suits without their consent is wrong.” I’m not moving goal posts to accuse your client, counsellor, nor am I giving evidence under oath at some trial. I’ve stated my POV and my opinion on the matter and thats all I have to say on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/187 "2014-06-13T22:28:45Z")
You can expect to see more stories about semi-nude people getting into fights. THANK you \*global!\ ***warming**. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/188 "2014-06-13T22:30:07Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > Yes! Of course I would! I’m not a jerk, I don’t want to ruin your day. What sort of sociopath would keep on posting in a board if he knows that he’s harming somebody while doing it? And yet, here you are, still posting. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/189 "2014-06-13T23:12:52Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > Again, if you honestly can tell me that you have no sense of personal space, that you wouldn’t mind being recorded in the street, that you cannot understand the mind of somebody who does have that sense, then sure, I could understand your need to mock. I would have to question whether you’ve ever even spoken to a human being, but at least I would understand it. See, I do have a sense or personal space. Fortunately for me, it doesn’t encompass entire stretches of coastline… or streets, amusement parks, etc. I do find it kind of funny that so far, only three people in this thread have any problem with having their picture taken in a public area, but somehow it’s everyone else that is abnormal. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/190 "2014-06-13T23:15:52Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > You don’t. You use your own standards for what you consider your private parcel in the world. Well, maybe not you, but at least most people do. The video shows that the toy was flying at what appears to most people to be an altitude of fifty feet, and that it was in continuous motions and not hovering. Normal, reasonable people who don’t have emotional issues would not consider a non-loitering object 50 feet away to be invading their personal space. Nor would a normal, reasonable person without emotional issues feel intruded upon if a toy flew past him or her 20 feet away. If the person knew it was coming (it does appear to be fairly noisy), then 10 feet might not be too close. If someone flew his toy five feet away from me or closer, then I’d consider it ‘buzzing’. Given that the toy was 50 feet away from the woman, and it was continually in forward motion, the woman had absolutely no reason to feel threatened in any way. ---
**Author:** ![jabiru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@jabiru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jabiru)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/191 "2014-06-14T00:10:03Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Of course, we’re going a little astray here. What did you want this kid to do? Ask every single person on that _public_ beach whether they minded being photographer before taking a scenic shot of bathers on the beach from above? That sounds absolutely crazy to me that one would have to ask anyone in any picture taken involving humans in the picture their permission to be in the picture. I took a helicopter flight over Sydney one time and the return trip flew us over Bondi. Since I had my 400mm lens with me, I whipped it onto the camera and took some shots of the sunbathers and other, more general photos of the beach. No, I didn’t get permission before I did so and it never occurred to me that I should. I’m a rank amateur and I take photos of people in the street all the time. If I went up to each individual and asked for permission the candid nature and naturalness of the shot would be lost. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/192 "2014-06-14T00:13:47Z")
**Siete** ’s concept of personal space almost makes **ZPG** ’s concept of rape look normal. Almost. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/193 "2014-06-14T00:54:31Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > No, but in certain situations it’s completely normal to react at having your picture taken, right? There are degrees. At a certain point somebody can violate your space while filming you. Right? And define ‘react’. Are you reacting with force, or asking politely asking them not to do it? ---
**Author:** ![Inna\_Minnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Inna\_Minnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inna_Minnit)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/194 "2014-06-14T00:55:43Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I know that because I can see the video. If I just see the copter and the kid, I have no idea of where he’s zooming in. Just like I don’t know if a guy with a camera is doing a panoramic or a close up in my direction. I guess I don’t understand the issue. If I am in a public place, people can see me. It’s up to me to not dress or behave in a way that I am uncomfortable with. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/195 "2014-06-14T01:56:59Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > **Siete** ’s concept of personal space almost makes **ZPG** ’s concept of rape look normal. Almost. Camera Rape is the worst kind of rape as you often don’t realize that it’s even happened. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/196 "2014-06-14T02:02:17Z")
> [@chacoguy](#): > > Camera Rape is the worst kind of rape as you often don’t realize that it’s even happened. Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there I didn’t see that coming when I started reading this thread; I guess now I’ll get labeled a Camera Rape Enabler before this is all over. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/197 "2014-06-14T03:01:14Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I was responding to Zebra, who said that, because I feel weirded out if somebody stares at me for too long, I’m some sort of danger to society. > > And in this case, modern cameras can zoom up to impressive detail, even at 50 feet, so it isn’t that different from walking along the beach with a camera. If you can understand how anybody could react to a guy filming people at the beach, then you should understand how the same goes for a quadcopter. One of the TV stations has a [commercial](http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/SkyForce10-News-Helicopter-Chopper-NBC10-193093201.html) about their helicopter that can zoom in from 2000’ to read a license plate. GoPro’s & all of the other action cameras that I am familiar with have fixed, wide angle lens; you can’t zoom them at all. Your typical quadcopter wouldn’t be able to get off the ground while carrying a larger, heavier, zoomable camera. If you watched his linked video, you can barely make out “details”, like the race/sex of a person on the ground. 2000’ is (roughly) 4/10ths of a mile. The news helicopter could be 1½ blocks off the beach & 1000’ up & getting better pictures than the quadcopter 50’ up. Frankly, someone walking by with their cell phone camera on zoom is going to get a better closeup than the quadcopter. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/198 "2014-06-14T03:23:56Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I haven’t, and I don’t- I’ve said that if somebody stares intently at me, then I may ask them why, and that’s the only time I’ve said anything remotely similar to being part of a confrontation… I also claim that to be completely normal behaviour. Not reacting in some form to the world around you isn’t. If somebody stares at you for a while and you do absolutely nothing, then I feel that it’s you and Zebra the ones with a problem. You talking to me, bitch? Cause if you’re talking to me I find it creepy. WTF is your problem? ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/199 "2014-06-14T04:24:11Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > Thank you for your honest answer. > > THIS, ladies & gentleman, is why the law needs to change. Your talking about needing consent to photograph in public? Changing the law could have so many unintended consequences it makes my mind boggle. Last week my son was at a water park and I was trying take a picture of him but the other kids kept getting in the way, I finally got off a pic with other kids in the background. According to what you think should be, one of those kid’s parents could potentially press charges against me for something so trivial. No thanks. The girl was clothed in the video, did she really think that teenager was getting off filming her from 50 feet up? Why is anyone referring the the kid as a pervert at all? ---
**Author:** ![PurpleClogs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f04885/32.png) [@PurpleClogs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PurpleClogs)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/200 "2014-06-14T06:46:08Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > In general, I would say “no,” especially from a distance. One of my friend’s more well-known aerials is [this one over Coney Island beach.](http://fineart.laforetvisuals.com/media/original/Laforet%20Coney%20Island%20Aerial%2001-DUP.jpg) . I just have to say, this is a magnificent photograph! I hope the photographer made a mint off it. > [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > No, but you are certainly expected to have a good explanation ready if you are carrying a knife around. I don’t find that unreasonable. I would call the police if I saw a kid brandishing a knife at the beach, forget copters. Poor kid is probably making a peanut butter sandwich. Relax. > [@GrandWino](#): > > I’m a street photographer ([gratuitous link to some of my shots](http://imgur.com/a/AZ9L9)) and thankfully the laws regarding taking photography in public are well-defined. As long as I’m not taking photos of somebody where they should expect privacy, then I’m in the clear. I’ve taken pictures of a lot of people and the only time I’ve ever been somewhat bothered about it was by [a Chicago cop](http://i.imgur.com/EdyyfNc.jpg) that didn’t like me taking photos of them questioning somebody on the street. In public places, sometimes I ask the people after the fact if they mind if I keep the photo, and offer to email it to them. No one has ever said no. I’ve photographed beach people lots, even people’s kids. I think if you’re nobody important, you don’t give a hoot. It’s people who think someone else cares who are paranoid. And besides, if there’s a zoom cam involved, does it really matter whether it’s in my hands or in the sky? No. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659.md?page=11)