# Kid flying camera equipped drone over beach assaulted for being a pervert. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659 "2014-06-12T22:12:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/221 "2014-06-15T14:50:10Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > And the answer to that is the abuse of said rights: the paparazzi, the stalkers and so on. So, you’ve been on the receiving end of stalkers and paparazzi? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/222 "2014-06-15T15:48:47Z")
Look, I’ll stipulate that photographing people on the beach is legal, just as singing sexually explicit songs on the beach is legal. I don’t think the question is over whether it’s legal; I think the question is over whether it’s the behavior of a decent person. Way I figure it, unless you’re taking a massive crowd shot or unless you’re taking a picture in which someone will be blurry and in the background, good manners means asking the subject of a photograph for permission, and honoring their decision. That said, this kid was taking a massive crowd shot. And even if he weren’t, even if he were being creepy and awful in a legally protected manner, his assailant’s reaction was absurdly out of line. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/223 "2014-06-15T15:59:42Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > So, you’ve been on the receiving end of stalkers and paparazzi? No. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/224 "2014-06-15T16:10:50Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > And my point is that some personal lines are, and that includes photography or video recording in certain specific situations. Specific situations you have yet to list. If your point is that having a camera shoved up your ass by a total stranger is undesirable to most people, well thank you for that bold declarative observation. If your point was that this situation crossed that line: no it didn’t; you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/225 "2014-06-15T16:14:05Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > If your point was that this situation crossed that line: no it didn’t; you’re wrong. And that’s why I’m not saying that, nor have I said it at any point. On the contrary, I’ve said a couple of times that the woman was nuts. But if you are saying that there is not such a line in public spaces, that any form of recording is perfectly reasonable in a public place, then I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/226 "2014-06-15T16:19:37Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > And that’s why I’m not saying that, nor have I said it at any point… > > But if you are saying that there is not such a line in public spaces, that any form of recording is perfectly reasonable in a public place, then I disagree. Nobody is saying that. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/227 "2014-06-15T16:23:08Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > And that’s why I’m not saying that, nor have I said it at any point. On the contrary, I’ve said a couple of times that the woman was nuts. In your first post, which I’ve quoted before, you drew the line at any recording: > [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > While the woman is indeed nuts to attack some kid, I don’t think that there’s anything crazy about feeling that people shouldn’t just go around filming anybody in beaches. I don’t know why you keep trying to deny that you wrote them or that they mean something other than what they plainly mean, except that you’v maybe realized that they are indefensible and unsupportable by any legal, social or cultural norm or history. Then you go on to say: > [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > But if you are saying that there is not such a line in public spaces, that any form of recording is perfectly reasonable in a public place, then I disagree. Indeed, you don’t want any form of recording, as you also said: > [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > Let me ask you this: if the kid was walking around the beach with a handheld camera, would you still be completely fine with it? No, you wouldn’t be fine with it; we get that. The thing is, everyone else is fine with it. And thus far, you have not shown any harm or any reason at all for someone to not have that camera on the beach. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/228 "2014-06-15T16:31:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > you drew the line at any recording: In beaches. In a specific situation and place. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > No, you wouldn’t be fine with it; we get that. The thing is, everyone else is fine with it. Funny thing is that I would. Wouldn’t even look him twice. I’m fine with the kid with the camera. Do I get why somebody else wouldn’t? How others could suspect that he may be pervert in search of cheap thrills? Find him bothersome? Sure. I have no problem imagining that. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/229 "2014-06-15T16:34:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Nobody is saying that. Plenty have in this thread. Just a few posts before 2gigch1 claims that he can’t imagine anybody being upset at being recorded in public. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/230 "2014-06-15T16:43:52Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > Plenty have in this thread. Just a few posts before 2gigch1 claims that he can’t imagine anybody being upset at being recorded in public. He wrote ‘Photography is always fair game except:’ and ‘In fact may of the situations that those who cry worst case scenario are already illegal!’. Exceptions do not meet the criterion ‘that any form of recording is perfectly reasonable in a public place’. You’re the one who brought up crotch shots. Everyone agrees there is a line. But there’s a difference between someone taking crotch shots, and someone taking wide-angle footage from 50 feet away. The kid in this story crossed no line, and no reasonable person would think he did. . ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/231 "2014-06-15T16:54:29Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > He wrote ‘Photography is always fair game except:’ and ‘In fact may of the situations that those who cry worst case scenario are already illegal!’. Exceptions do not meet the criterion ‘that any form of recording is perfectly reasonable in a public place’. You’re the one who brought up crotch shots. Everyone agrees there is a line. But there’s a difference between someone taking crotch shots, and someone taking wide-angle footage from 50 feet away. The kid in this story crossed no line, and no reasonable person would think he did. > > . He’s saying that everything that’s legal is acceptable, however. I’m claiming that there is a line that crosses acceptable behaviour even when it’s legal. That’s what I’ve been claiming from post 1, and what you and others have argued against. For you the line are crotch shots. For the woman it was a quadcopter camera. Sure, she was acting crazy, but I do get why some would find quadcopters with cameras in crowded beaches upsetting. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/232 "2014-06-15T18:21:12Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > He’s saying that everything that’s legal is acceptable, however. I’m claiming that there is a line that crosses acceptable behaviour even when it’s legal. That’s what I’ve been claiming from post 1, and what you and others have argued against. If that’s your claim, then so what? Any line that isn’t the same as the legal line is your problem. And as long as you don’t assault anyone, why should I give a fuck what your line is? (Answer: I shouldn’t & don’t.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/233 "2014-06-15T18:58:52Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > If that’s your claim, then so what? Any line that isn’t the same as the legal line is your problem. And as long as you don’t assault anyone, why should I give a fuck what your line is? Depends on whether you’re a baseline decent human being who’s willing to take other people’s preferences into account when you’re in public. If you are, then yeah, you should give a fuck what other people’s lines are when deciding what sort of legal behavior to engage in. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/234 "2014-06-15T19:31:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > If that’s your claim, then so what? Any line that isn’t the same as the legal line is your problem. And as long as you don’t assault anyone, why should I give a fuck what your line is? (Answer: I shouldn’t & don’t.) Absolutely. You can do anything legal, no matter how douchey, and I will defend your right to do so. You want to point and laugh at people? Perfectly legal. Use your phone at the movies? Hey, if there’s no sign forbidding it, you are in the right… Proclaim your love for the music of Nickelback? Good for you, I guess. I’m still not debating the legality of the issue, that’s not my point. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/235 "2014-06-15T20:31:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Maybe people shouldn’t go to the beach, because doing that gets in the space of others. > [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > But it doesn’t. Speak for yourself. I frequent deserted beaches, and when other people show up it gets in my space. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/236 "2014-06-15T20:40:22Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Speak for yourself. I frequent deserted beaches, and when other people show up it gets in my space. That’s true. I take that back, the proximity of other people does violate your space. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/237 "2014-06-15T20:46:04Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > OK, if you don’t like those examples, try these: > > (1) A teenager is listening to music on her computer. Music piracy is extremely common - certainly more common than voyeurism. What do you do given that possibility? I beat her up! > [@](#): > > (2) You notice a young person who is drinking a beer in a bar. They are not causing any problems, just drinking. Fake IDs are fairly common. What do you do given that possibility? I beat the young person up! > [@](#): > > (3) You are surrounded by people who almost certainly cheat a little on their taxes. What do you do about this possibility? I beat all of them up! Lack of any reasonable grounds to suspect criminality is no excuse for not beating someone up. ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/238 "2014-06-15T20:46:49Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > He’s done well for himself, although not from that single photograph in particular (although I’m sure he made a reasonable amount of money with it). His most famous aerial is probably [this one, though](http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/images/2007/06/29/skaters.jpg) (I have a print of it in my dining room), which he shot while he was on staff at the New York Times. He does moving pictures mostly, these days. Commercial work for Nike and that sort of thing. I’m curious about the post processing on that photo. That skater in the middle with one leg up doesn’t seem to match his shadow (look at the arm on the left side of the photo). It is stunning nevertheless. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/239 "2014-06-15T20:51:51Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Depends on whether you’re a baseline decent human being who’s willing to take other people’s preferences into account when you’re in public. If you are, then yeah, you should give a fuck what other people’s lines are when deciding what sort of legal behavior to engage in. I do take other people’s preferences into account: I don’t break the law. Why should I give any other consideration you ask for any weight at all? Why should I inconvenience myself for you and restrict my picture taking in wherever I please? (Answer: I shouldn’t & don’t.) ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/240 "2014-06-15T20:54:59Z")
Sure it’s your right to do lots of things. It’s also my right to point and laugh when you get your ass kicked by someone who finds your actions disagreeable. You may win the legal proceedings, but that won’t un-kick your ass. Nor will it erase the ass kicking from history. Something being a fellow’s right typically comes into play after somebody else gets pissed off. Alas, pissed off people sometimes don’t give a rip what the law says. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659.md?page=13)