# Kid flying camera equipped drone over beach assaulted for being a pervert. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659 "2014-06-12T22:12:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/81 "2014-06-13T13:58:27Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Did you go thru the Dimmu Burger drive-thru? You got filmed. I’m not surprised Murderface would film people at the Dimmu Burger… ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/82 "2014-06-13T13:59:38Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You give consent by being in public. I have to be in public to go to work and to get home. I have to be in public to shop for food or clothes. I have to do those things just to live and I don’t give my consent to be photographed. If anyone Thinks they have my consent, let me state now and in writing that I Revoke it. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/83 "2014-06-13T14:09:49Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I have to be in public to go to work and to get home. I have to be in public to shop for food or clothes. I have to do those things just to live and I don’t give my consent to be photographed. > > If anyone Thinks they have my consent, let me state now and in writing that I Revoke it. Tough. There isn’t much you can do about it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/84 "2014-06-13T14:10:53Z")
> [@DataX](#): > > I wonder how much that setup cost him? [Around $900](http://www.amazon.com/DJI-Phantom-Quadcopter-Integrated-Camcorder/dp/B00FW78710), plus the phone. > [@VunderBob](#): > > Model airplanes, and what the kid was flying, is a remotely piloted vehicle. When I was a teen, some hobbyists put cameras in their r/c airplanes. In the early-'80s, I was thinking about how to put a super-8 camera in one. R/C helicopters were coming out around that time, and I thought it would be neat to put a super-8 camera on one. Never did because of the cost, but r/c helicopters with cameras did eventually become a reality and have been used in filmmaking. When I was a child and into my teens, Estes offered the Camroc rocket that had a 110 camera in its nose. They also had the [Cineroc rocket with 8mm camera](http://rocketry.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/a-cineroc-short-produced-by-estes/). ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/85 "2014-06-13T14:17:26Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Tough. There isn’t much you can do about it. Thank you for your honest answer. THIS, ladies & gentleman, is why the law needs to change. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/86 "2014-06-13T14:26:41Z")
My only gripe is: Where’s my cut? A movie crew takes (not real number) 150,000 still photos of Schwarzenegger, assembles them into one long strip, calls it a movie, he gets $20,000,000.\* A local photog takes my pic, sells it to the local paper, gets (again, not real number) $500, where’s my take? I know the answer: Arnold has a better agent then I do. 🙂 \*I know with digital photography that’s not the case any more. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/87 "2014-06-13T14:31:35Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > So, you admit that some recordings can be impolite, even if not illegal. > > But I didn’t, except in your own way of interpreting my words. > > But yeah, filming anybody, no matter who, without their permission IS impolite, and there’s nothing crazy about thinking that. There is plenty of crazy in thinking otherwise. No backpedalling in this. > [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I may not have a legal expectation of privacy (although I assume that varies from place to place), but I do expect a modicum of common courtesy, as in not having my picture taken without my permission. Even for purely innocent reasons. > > I don’t see how that’s such a weird concept. So what do you do when you want to go to McDonald’s, 7-11, Walmart, the local mall, etc.? Do you call ahead and ask the manager to turn off the security cameras? If not, why not? Or does the common courtesy of explicitly asking your permission before recording your image not apply to such places? ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/88 "2014-06-13T14:32:50Z")
> [@Count Blucher](#): > > Where did I say anything about charges filed/not filed against the lady? Where did I say that you did say that? Try reading my post again - or even a first time. You clearly said in your post that the kid should serve time in jail. Do you still believe that? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/89 "2014-06-13T14:37:14Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > If you have any children under the age of 13 (I think that is the age in most states), they should know they cannot be charged with any crime under that age. > > So, if some adult attacks them violently, I would instruct my kid to scream for help. But also … to fight back with as much force as possible. Because … no matter what the kid does in self-defense, they cannot be charged with any kind of crime. Man, the stupid is knee-deep in this thread but this here deserves a special trophy. Charlie Wayne, please cite laws in any American state that says children under the age of 13 can’t be charged with a crime. You may also cite any law which states that children under the age of 13 are exempt from its rquirements. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/90 "2014-06-13T14:37:15Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > Would you make the same argument for the guy who had a cam in the tops of his shoes and was sticking his feet under women’s dresses? How about the guy who lays the camera down on the seat of the subway to shoot some up-skirt shots of women on their way to work? These people didn’t dress that way to parade down a cat-walk; they went to enjoy the feel of the sun and perhaps a tan. There was no posted sign warning them that paparazzi are going to take pictures of them possibly to use against them at work or on social media. They were given no warning … no chance to consent… or to opt-out. A woman’s underwear is NOT knowingly put on public display unless she’s deliberately lifting up her skirt. There’s a mighty big difference there–one that you seem unable to understand. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/91 "2014-06-13T14:39:11Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > So what do you do when you want to go to McDonald’s, 7-11, Walmart, the local mall, etc.? Do you call ahead and ask the manager to turn off the security cameras? > > If not, why not? Or does the common courtesy of explicitly asking your permission before recording your image not apply to such places? You accept their terms of doing business or you go somewhere else, and good luck with that. Courtesy is not a legal concept. ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/92 "2014-06-13T14:45:56Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I have to be in public to go to work and to get home. I have to be in public to shop for food or clothes. I have to do those things just to live and I don’t give my consent to be photographed. > > If anyone Thinks they have my consent, let me state now and in writing that I Revoke it. As noted upthread, you don’t have a choice; traffic cams, shop surviellence, personal alarm systems on houses, ATMs, and about a dozen other sources have taken your pic without, and no requirement for, your consent. Welcome Little Brother, you are being observed. The worst part of it isn’t even the public domain but online where, thanks to lawyerly obfuscation and people’s tendency to not read things that are hard, they have handed over the rights to their personal image to the likes of Facebook and Google, who can pretty much do as they please with your image. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/93 "2014-06-13T15:14:07Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Man, the stupid is knee-deep in this thread but this here deserves a special trophy. > > Charlie Wayne, please cite laws in any American state that says children under the age of 13 can’t be charged with a crime. You may also cite any law which states that children under the age of 13 are exempt from its rquirements. First, you insult me. Then, you expect me to cite laws and do other things for you? You are wrong to imply anyone is stupid. But thanks for the laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/94 "2014-06-13T15:24:32Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > Where did I say that you did say that? Try reading my post again - or even a first time. Here’s a repost, word for word, as a reply to my post. > [@BlackKnight](#): > > The kid mentioned in the OP? Jail?! The kid did nothing wrong. The lady violently assaulted a minor - including tearing his shirt half off. She should be put on a list, spend time in jail, and hopefully become known around town as “that crazy bitch you should probably not associate with”. > > The only reason so many news reports call it a “drone” is because drones are topical and slightly scary. “Teenager Assaulted for Flying Remote Control Helicopter” wouldn’t get as many clicks. Did you mean to address me only re: the jail aspect? The sentences run close together and you only changed paragraphs when you referred to the drone. Did you mean to separate your thoughts on her punishment from your reply to my post? Changing paragraphs where you did implies that your entire first paragraph is a reply to my post. You’re welcome. > [@BlackKnight](#): > > You clearly said in your post that the kid should serve time in jail. Do you still believe that? Its been made clear that under the given laws in CT, no laws were broken so no, I don’t believe that. Your statement is that he did nothing wrong, and I disagree with that because its my opinion that going to the beach just to take pictures of people in their bathing suits without their consent is wrong. (…and if anyone thinks I’m White Knighting for the ladies, EFF 'em, because I don’t want MY picture taken.) > [@Flyer](#): > > A woman’s underwear is NOT knowingly put on public display unless she’s deliberately lifting up her skirt. There’s a mighty big difference there–one that you seem unable to understand. Given your rules, if her dress is above the knee and she’s sitting down, her underwear could be visible in a subway car. Your POV puts all blame on the person being photographed & requires Zero responsibility for the photographer. I don’t agree with your POV. Your POV I understood easily, but it boils down to an unprovable “He-said-She said” about intent and style of clothing, which makes it worthless and I’ll never agree with it. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/95 "2014-06-13T15:32:54Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > So what do you do when you want to go to McDonald’s, 7-11, Walmart, the local mall, etc.? Do you call ahead and ask the manager to turn off the security cameras? > > If not, why not? Or does the common courtesy of explicitly asking your permission before recording your image not apply to such places? The difference still is that a quadcopter from the 7-11 doesn’t follow me around after I’m done doing my business in their property. And I would indeed find that a bummer if it did. I don’t think that’s abnormal or contradictory. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/96 "2014-06-13T15:34:36Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > If you have any children under the age of 13 (I think that is the age in most states), they should know they cannot be charged with any crime under that age. Perhaps you missed the recent story of the [two twelve year old girls charged as adults](http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/girls-12-due-in-court-in-waukesha-stabbing-as-judge-restricts-coverage-b99289110z1-262719291.html)with stabbing. Your statement is false. * * * Just watched the video, I’m curious - if he responded to the assault by throat punching her and she died, should we be okay with that? If I saw someone doing that to my kid…there is no way it would continue for that long. The only reason it did was because this kid had patience and the woman was a bully. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/97 "2014-06-13T15:37:46Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > The difference still is that a quadcopter from the 7-11 doesn’t follow me around after I’m done doing my business in their property. The quadcopter in this incident wasn’t following anyone around, as can be seen in the aerial footage. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/98 "2014-06-13T15:39:04Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I may not have a legal expectation of privacy (although I assume that varies from place to place), but I do expect a modicum of common courtesy, as in not having my picture taken without my permission. Even for purely innocent reasons. See, I don’t have that expectation. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/99 "2014-06-13T15:39:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The quadcopter in this incident wasn’t following anyone around, as can be seen in the aerial footage. No, but if the concept here is that he can fly that quadcopter anywhere and nobody has a right to complain, that also includes his right to follow people around unchallenged. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/100 "2014-06-13T15:39:51Z")
> [@Count Blucher](#): > > Your statement is that he did nothing wrong, and I disagree with that because its my opinion that going to the beach just to take pictures of people in their bathing suits without their consent is wrong. And your belief that he went “to the beach just to take pictures of people in their bathing suits without their consent” is based on what evidence, exactly? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659.md?page=6)