# Kid flying camera equipped drone over beach assaulted for being a pervert. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659 "2014-06-12T22:12:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/161 "2014-06-13T21:18:29Z")
OK, if you don’t like those examples, try these: (1) A teenager is listening to music on her computer. Music piracy is extremely common - certainly more common than voyeurism. What do you do given that possibility? (2) You notice a young person who is drinking a beer in a bar. They are not causing any problems, just drinking. Fake IDs are fairly common. What do you do given that possibility? (3) You are surrounded by people who almost certainly cheat a little on their taxes. What do you do about this possibility? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/162 "2014-06-13T21:19:12Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > Yes. There are things that are more likely than others, depending on the situation. That doesn’t mean that you need a 100 per cent certainty of something before you react. If you see somebody recording in the beach, the possibility that he’s using that camera for his own vouyeristic purposes exists. We aren’t talking about something incredibly implausible. I’ve never really understood the worry about others using anyone’s likeness for wank material without their permission. Sure, it’s gross and disturbing, but considering the nature of the internet, folks undoubtedly will have so many images out their of themselves in a lifetime (especially going forward), that it’s impossible to really give two shits about. And even if I somehow found out that some anonymous stranger was getting off to me in my 80s prom dress every night? I still can’t find the energy to care. It has zero impact on my life. But, I will say that this thread is interesting, to say the least, and why I’m glad that I’ve decided (as an amateur photographer myself) to stick almost entirely to shooting anything but people. They be cray cray. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/163 "2014-06-13T21:20:02Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I have to be in public to go to work and to get home. I have to be in public to shop for food or clothes. I have to do those things just to live and I don’t give my consent to be photographed. > > If anyone Thinks they have my consent, let me state now and in writing that I Revoke it. You can’t revoke it any more than you can revoke any other public contact or observation. The thought that you’d be able to is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/164 "2014-06-13T21:24:33Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > I’ve never really understood the worry about others using anyone’s likeness for wank material without their permission. Personally, I take it as a compliment. JPEGs? PM me.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/165 "2014-06-13T21:27:52Z")
> [@spinky](#): > > It’s for this reason that most municipalities ban 13 year old boys from beaches entirely. You never know what they’re doing with those memories. Well, no… but of course your personal space can be violated by somebody staring at you, even without a camera… and if a 13 year old starts ogling at people you would tell him to control himself. Seriously, it’s like I’m speaking to aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/166 "2014-06-13T21:31:33Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > OK, if you don’t like those examples, try these: > > (1) A teenager is listening to music on her computer. Music piracy is extremely common - certainly more common than voyeurism. What do you do given that possibility? > (2) You notice a young person who is drinking a beer in a bar. They are not causing any problems, just drinking. Fake IDs are fairly common. What do you do given that possibility? > (3) You are surrounded by people who almost certainly cheat a little on their taxes. What do you do about this possibility? I wouldn’t do anything, because they aren’t doing anything to me. I would certainly react if any of them was stealing MY music, drinking in my bar and risking my license, or recording me or my loved ones without my permission. I find it insane that I have to explain that, and that you act like you wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/167 "2014-06-13T21:33:05Z")
I feel I should add that I actually despise having my picture taken - probably more than most people in this thread. Nevertheless, if I was on a public beach and somebody was taking pictures, it wouldn’t occur to me that they were taking pictures of me specifically. And if they _were_ taking pictures of me specifically, I wouldn’t feel like I had any right to make them stop - not unless they were taking the pictures a foot away from me, or were clearly following right behind me as I moved around, or something like that. My ego isn’t large enough to declare that people should be prevented from taking my picture if I’m in a public place. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/168 "2014-06-13T21:36:00Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I feel I should add that I actually despise having my picture taken - probably more than most people in this thread. Nevertheless, if I was on a public beach and somebody was taking pictures, it wouldn’t occur to me that they were taking pictures of me specifically. And if they _were_ taking pictures of me specifically, I wouldn’t feel like I had any right to make them stop - not unless they were taking the pictures a foot away from me, or were clearly following right behind me as I moved around, or something like that. > > My ego isn’t large enough to declare that people should be prevented from taking my picture if I’m in a public place. But again, you have a line. Somebody crosses that line, then you react. So that somebody hasn’t got complete freedom to take your picture. And that’s good, because that’s normal. Claiming otherwise, now that boggles the mind. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/169 "2014-06-13T21:36:12Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > But nobody is arguing the legality of it, just what’s considered acceptable behaviour. By default, if it’s legal it’s acceptable behavior. Thus far you’ve offered no reasons at all that it should be illegal or even considered impolite. Do you have any to offer? ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/170 "2014-06-13T21:39:30Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > By default, if it’s legal it’s acceptable behavior. > > Thus far you’ve offered no reasons at all that it should be illegal or even considered impolite. Do you have any to offer? I’ve spoken at large about personal space and the impoliteness of violating it, even if it’s just by looking at somebody. Even when it’s legal. Are you seriously claiming not to understand the concept? Or are you being facetious? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/171 "2014-06-13T21:40:22Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I was responding to Zebra, who said that, because I feel weirded out if somebody stares at me for too long, I’m some sort of danger to society. you have described yourself here as having a short fuse and a confrontational nature and your posts indicate that your arbitrary level of acceptable contact and observation from others is well short of what the law and social norms allow, but you insist people should give your needs more weight than they legally deserve; I’m inclined to agree with **Zebra**. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/172 "2014-06-13T21:44:08Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > you have described yourself here as having a short fuse and a confrontational nature and your posts indicate that your arbitrary level of acceptable contact and observation from others is well short of what the law and social norms allow, but you insist people should give your needs more weight than they legally deserve; I’m inclined to agree with **Zebra**. I haven’t, and I don’t- I’ve said that if somebody stares intently at me, then I may ask them why, and that’s the only time I’ve said anything remotely similar to being part of a confrontation… I also claim that to be completely normal behaviour. Not reacting in some form to the world around you isn’t. If somebody stares at you for a while and you do absolutely nothing, then I feel that it’s you and Zebra the ones with a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/173 "2014-06-13T21:49:25Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > That varies from person to person, and even from culture to culture, but I certainly have one, and so do you. > > Also, again, not talking about legality here, just about what’s reasonable behaviour. The legal definition of “space”, if there is one, isn’t going to cary from person to person. Why would you think it would? It seems like you’ve just arbitrarily decided that things should be a certain way, with no evidence or past history or any fact-based reasoning. I have no idea why you think your notions of personal space, politeness or impropriety should be taken seriously, let alone take precedence over anyone else’s notions, but they shouldn’t and they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/174 "2014-06-13T21:49:37Z")
I hope Sr Siete doesn’t find out what I’m doing while reading his posts right now. Not enough space in the world between us for him to be comfortable with it. Sorry, Mr. Seven. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/175 "2014-06-13T21:50:52Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I haven’t, and I don’t- I’ve said that if somebody stares intently at me, then I may ask them why, and that’s the only time I’ve said anything remotely similar to being part of a confrontation… I also claim that to be completely normal behaviour. Not reacting in some form to the world around you isn’t. If somebody stares at you for a while and you do absolutely nothing, then I feel that it’s you and Zebra the ones with a problem. You claim it be normal behavior but you already said that you have less tolerance for being stared at than most people, so your behavior, by your own description, isn’t normal, at least not how you perceive “normal”. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/176 "2014-06-13T21:52:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The legal definition of “space”, if there is one, isn’t going to cary from person to person. Why would you think it would? > > It seems like you’ve just arbitrarily decided that things should be a certain way, with no evidence or past history or any fact-based reasoning. I have no idea why you think your notions of personal space, politeness or impropriety should be taken seriously, let alone take precedence over anyone else’s notions, but they shouldn’t and they don’t. There is no legal definition of personal space. Are you seriously claiming that such thing doesn’t exist as social concept? That is a concept foreign to you? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/177 "2014-06-13T21:52:51Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I’ve spoken at large about personal space and the impoliteness of violating it, even if it’s just by looking at somebody. Even when it’s legal. > > Are you seriously claiming not to understand the concept? Or are you being facetious? You offer nebulous concepts with no concretes. I asked you several times for specifics and you decline to give them. How close is too close? 40 yards? 12 inches? A kilometer? The width of two sheep and a basketball? And why do we use your standard instead of mine? ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/178 "2014-06-13T21:54:55Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You claim it be normal behavior but you already said that you have less tolerance for being stared at than most people, so your behavior, by your own description, isn’t normal, at least not how you perceive “normal”. I don’t think that my tolerance for being stared at is different from most people. You can go to the street and start staring at people and see what it takes for them to react. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/179 "2014-06-13T21:55:48Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > I don’t think that my tolerance for being stared at is different from most people. You can go to the street and start staring at people and see what it takes for them to react. And they can get mad at you. But then what? They can ask you to stop, but what if you don’t? ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659/180 "2014-06-13T21:56:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You offer nebulous concepts with no concretes. I asked you several times for specifics and you decline to give them. > > How close is too close? 40 yards? 12 inches? A kilometer? The width of two sheep and a basketball? > > And why do we use your standard instead of mine? You don’t. You use your own standards for what you consider your private parcel in the world. Well, maybe not you, but at least most people do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-flying-camera-equipped-drone-over-beach-assaulted-for-being-a-pervert/690659.md?page=10)