# Kid guilty of dressing in black to be freed after 8 years in prison **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 19, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107 "2008-01-19T01:58:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/101 "2008-01-24T21:54:14Z")
There have been several cites already posted in this thread. My point is that I have learned to listen to **Lamar Mundane**. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/102 "2008-01-24T22:43:58Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] There have been several cites already posted in this thread. [/quote] I must have missed the post which gives the cite for the proposition that the doctor saw the body but did not report it; or that the doctor was a lefty; or that he had a serrated knife; etc. Can you tell me which post numbers those cites are in? Or perhaps you will just admit that you were wrong. > [@](#): > > My point is that I have learned to listen to Lamar Mundane I guess that means you won’t admit you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/103 "2008-01-24T22:45:17Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] [QUOTE=casdave] The point is, that your point that since the kid had these items in his possession automatically makes him a suspect of greater priority than anyone else is false. [/QUOTE] And where exactly did I make this point? Please use the quote feature. Thank you. [/QUOTE] [Post 56](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9394750&postcount=56): [QUOTE=brazil84] As long as you are summarizing the evidence, it’s worth considering that the Defendant apparently did possess the specialized weapons necessary to commit the crime. I don’t know how many goth kids keep survival knives and scalpels around. Granted, possessing weapons doesn’t prove anything in and of itself. Still, it seems like quite a coincidence that a woman is stabbed and mutilated by a lefty with a serrated knife and a scalpel and there happens to be a lefty with a serrated knife and a scalpel who fantasizes about stabbing women and who lives within a couple hundred feet of the crime scene. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/104 "2008-01-24T22:49:01Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] [Post 56](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9394750&postcount=56): [/QUOTE] Nowhere in that post do I say that possession of the weapons automatically made Masters a greater priority suspect than anyone else. Indeed, I was careful to point out that just possessing the weapons per se doesn’t prove anything. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/105 "2008-01-25T15:14:12Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] I must have missed the post which gives the cite for the proposition that the doctor saw the body but did not report it; or that the doctor was a lefty; or that he had a serrated knife; etc. Can you tell me which post numbers those cites are in? Or perhaps you will just admit that you were wrong. [/QUOTE] I don’t understand why this is even an issue. This isn’t an episode of _Perry Mason_, where another person has to convicted in order to let an innocent go free. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/106 "2008-01-25T17:18:04Z")
Which evidence did the police cover up? -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/107 "2008-01-25T18:13:24Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] I don’t understand why this is even an issue. [/quote] Me either. I made that point to **Zebra** earlier: > [@](#): > > Not that it really matters, because you’re missing the point. Masters was not convicted just because he was a goth and drew some violent pictures. It’s as simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/108 "2010-06-09T21:42:34Z")
I thought I’d wrap this one up. [FORT COLLINS, Colo.—A Colorado man wrongly imprisoned for murder has settled the last of his claims in a lawsuit against officials he said ignored, withheld or destroyed evidence pointing to his innocence. A $5.9 million settlement announced Tuesday brings to $10 million the amount Tim Masters has received from his lawsuit against city and Larimer County officials](http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_15252969) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/109 "2010-06-09T22:59:21Z")
How do you know that he received a 5.9 million dollar settlement? Did you interview him personally, and view his bank statement? Did you subject his bank manager to a lie detector test? Or do you just believe everything you read in the paper? (I kid, I kid!) ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/110 "2010-06-10T20:38:44Z")
I come away with one thing from this thread: Dude…back away from the [rolleyes](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=5389975). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/111 "2010-06-10T22:12:22Z")
I’m going to leave this thread open, as the post resurrecting it provides a useful coda to the discussion. However, please remember that this thread was started in 2008, and that the arguments contained herein all happened two years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/112 "2010-07-01T03:53:30Z")
I don’t mean to keep bumping this thread, but some big news came out this morning. [Cop in Tim Masters case indicted on perjury charges](http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15410724?source=pop) > [@](#): > > The lead detective in the Tim Masters’ murder investigation was indicted this morning on eight counts of felony first-degree perjury. > > Each count names Fort Collins Police Lt. James Broderick and carries the possibility of two to six years in prison and a maximum fine of $500,000. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/113 "2010-07-01T08:55:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I want to see exactly what the Op _actually know_s about the case, before he convicts the legal system and the jury on even less evidence than he accuses them of having. Note that he wouldn’t answer my questions. No direct physical evidence, no eyewitnesses, and no confessions and the jury still convicted? It sure sounds like they were willing to convict with very little evidence to me. Some days it just doesn’t pay to go to court. Odesio ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/114 "2010-07-02T18:50:07Z")
Thanks for the updates Lamar. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/115 "2010-07-03T00:12:33Z")
The only thing missing from this thread was to call the kid fat. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/116 "2010-07-03T06:26:32Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I don’t mean to keep bumping this thread, but some big news came out this morning. > > [Cop in Tim Masters case indicted on perjury charges](http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15410724?source=pop) If he’s smart, he’ll choose his wardrobe carefully. ---
**Author:** ![rowe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@rowe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowe)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/117 "2010-07-05T15:57:45Z")
It’s too bad the cop won’t have to serve the same exact length of sentence that Master did. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/118 "2010-07-07T03:50:51Z")
On page 1, two years ago, somebody asked what this case reminded the OP of. The repressed memory cases of the 1980s were mentioned. I was reminded of [the West Memphis Three](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three), who were profiled in [2 HBO documentaries](http://www.dmoz.org/Arts/Movies/Titles/P/Paradise_Lost_Movies/Paradise_Lost/). [(doc.#2)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239894/). ---
**Author:** ![bsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@bsane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bsane)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107/119 "2010-07-07T17:45:22Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > What percentage of goth kids keep survival knives and scalpels around? I just stumbled on this recently bumped thread, but… I wasn’t a goth, but when I was 15 I did in fact have a survival knife and a scalpel in my possession. I didn’t think much of it at the time either, and my parents knew I had both. I certainly wasn’t the only kid with a survival knife. The scalpel was a left over from some procedure a family remember had done- I thought it was cool, and they gave it to me. No idea what percentages would actually be- but I don’t find it alarming this kid had those items. Thankfully I lived 1500 miles away from Fort Collins, or I’d be worried about being charged too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kid-guilty-of-dressing-in-black-to-be-freed-after-8-years-in-prison/434107.md?page=5)