# Kidchameleon--Rape is not sexy. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2005, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736 "2005-10-11T11:53:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/1 "2005-10-11T11:53:34Z")
In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6672880#post6672880), an appalling hoax is described. In this particular instance, a person called a McDonalds, claiming to be a cop. He persuaded the manager to accuse a teenage employee of theft. She then had the girl strip naked, took her clothes, and detained her for hours. Then, when the manager’s fiance was brought in, the caller had the man force the girl to perform oral sex on him. The whole thing was caught on surveillance DVD. ([Link to the story.](http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051009/NEWS01/510090392) ) **Kidchameleon** ’s response? > [@kidchameleon](#): > > I think I need to examine this DVD before I can render a judgement… > > 😛 What kind of a sick fuck are you? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/2 "2005-10-11T12:14:16Z")
> [@Green Bean](#): > > What kind of a sick fuck are you? I think you need to lighten up, even if his comment wasn’t particularly funny. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/3 "2005-10-11T12:22:35Z")
Ditto, **Pedro**. Down with the offenderati! ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/4 "2005-10-11T12:57:50Z")
Offenderati? _Moi_? Well, there’s a first time for everything. Maybe getting accused of being part of the offenderati is like getting Pitted–a SDMB rite of passage. I guess I’ve passed. But seriously, if you don’t agree with me, at least argue your point. Telling me to “lighten up” is just lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/5 "2005-10-11T13:08:55Z")
> [@Green Bean](#): > > But seriously, if you don’t agree with me, at least argue your point. Telling me to “lighten up” is just lazy. No lazier than you just saying, “what kind of a sick fuck are you?” Besides, in this case, “lighten up” is the argument. Lighten up. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/6 "2005-10-11T13:10:25Z")
Lessee now… You got some sick fuck calling people on the phone and convincing them to humiliate and other gullible people for his own perverted pleasure. And you have teenagers who must have lived under a rock that let somebody strip search them at their place of employment And you have adults (supervisors) so fucking gullible that they take and execute bizarre orders from somebody on the phone who “sounds” authoriative. And you got somebody who sees the stupidity in all of this and cracks a somewhat tasteless joke. Now which one incites your outrage the most? ---
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/7 "2005-10-11T13:23:17Z")
Stupid comment, not funny, deserved pitting. Still, you have to wonder about the intelligence of those duped by this. And I’m not sure about the OP’s definition of rape. > [@BubbaDog](#): > > Now which one incites your outrage the most? Which one is most likely to read the pitting? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/8 "2005-10-11T13:28:12Z")
> [@](#): > > But seriously, if you don’t agree with me, at least argue your point. Telling me to “lighten up” is just lazy. Okay, if you insist… Let’s see, I feel this thread is unnecessary and extremely harsh, making a crass joke does not render someone a sick fuck and you are unwarranted in your characterization of **kidchameleon** being sexually aroused by the act of rape (raping?). Smileys, abhorent as they are, were invented for a reason. In this case they denote a joke. That means the words were used for humorous effect and are not meant to convey the true feelings of the speaker. Your attitude is part of a worrying trend to sanitize all speech so that no one in the whole world might possibly be offended. I find the risk that some jokes might land short is worth it over losing the capacity to enjoy humor. Having said that, a serene statement of disaffection with such humor in the original thread would have been acceptable, in my opinion. So, how did I do this time? By the way for what it’s worth I’m please you didn’t use the lame line “you don’t know what it’s like to go through that so you can’t talk”. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/9 "2005-10-11T13:36:32Z")
FWIW, **Green Bean** , I wholeheartedly agree with you. **Kidchameleon** , you’re a fucking ass. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/10 "2005-10-11T13:49:25Z")
Alright, my turn. Hard to follow up **Pedro** ’s fine effort, though. **kidchameleon** made a tasteless joke, but it was obviously a joke. I’m not a big fan of tasteless jokes, but I recognize them for what they are - JOKES. As someone who uses sarcasm and fantastic exaggeration freely, I frequently find some other SDMB members are devoid of the gene that lets one spot either. Howard Stern, Opie and Anthony, and a host of other media personalities have made quite good livings telling jokes like this. I don’t like them, I don’t listen to them, but I also do not call them "sick fuck"s simply for making jokes targetting their audience. In conclusion > [@Pedro](#): > > I think you need to lighten up, even if his comment wasn’t particularly funny. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/11 "2005-10-11T14:22:32Z")
**kidchameleon** isn’t a sick fuck. _I’m_ a sick fuck, because I’ve been waiting and hoping for that dude to call me! note for the tasteless joke impaired. This is another sick fucking joke. deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/12 "2005-10-11T14:27:05Z")
> [@Futile Gesture](#): > > And I’m not sure about the OP’s definition of rape. Is your objection to the force element of rape or the intercourse element? In general, forced oral copulation isn’t rape, although some jurisdictions may define it as such. Would you be happier with ‘felony forcible sodomy’? ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/13 "2005-10-11T14:34:42Z")
Nope, I’m too horrified at that story to support any jokes made about it. Question the OP’s definition of rape? Are you serious? She was forced to give oral sex to a man, on threat of violence. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/14 "2005-10-11T14:42:30Z")
In the interest of posting my own tasteless joke, the article said “‘She was crying,’ recalled Kim Dockery, 40, another assistant manager, who stood by watching. ‘A little young girl standing there naked wasn’t a pretty sight.’” Really? Geez, I thought that was the very definition of pretty. (OK, not the crying part, or the rape and humiliation part, and let’s remind ourselves that the “little young girl” was of consent age. Other tasteless joke disclaimers: Offer void in California and New Jersey. Results may vary. Serving suggestion. No purchase necessary.) > [@Bricker](#): > > In general, forced oral copulation isn’t rape, although some jurisdictions may define it as such. Seriously? Explain. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/15 "2005-10-11T14:48:38Z")
This isn’t a question of “lightening up.” We’re talking about a videotape of a teenage girl being stripped naked and sexually assaulted. Imagine for a second that the victim was your daughter or your sister or your girlfriend. Imagine telling someone that your daughter was sexually assaulted on videotape and then imagine the other person making a leering joke about wanting to see the tape. Is it funny? I’m sure that **Kidchameleon** does not actually get off on the thought of watching a sexual assault on videotape. My guess is that his joke was more thoughtless than sadistic. Still. it was very bad form. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/16 "2005-10-11T14:49:16Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Seriously? Explain. At common law, rape is sexual intercourse with a complaining witness, against the complaining witness’s will, by force, threat or intimidation or through the use of the complaining witness’s mental incapacity or physical helplessness. Sexual intercourse is the entry of the penis into the vagina. Any entry, no matter how slight, is sufficient to complete this element. So at common law, forcible sodomy or oral copulation is not rape. Some jurisdictions define crimes like “forcible sodomy” or “criminal sexual assault” to punish such acts. Others include it in “rape.” It’s by no means a given that the correct word to use to describe the crime here is rape… IF **Futile Gesture** ’s objection was focused on that distinction. If the objection was that the force element of rape wasn’t present… it is. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/17 "2005-10-11T14:50:20Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > and let’s remind ourselves that the “little young girl” was of consent age. What difference does that make? The victim did not give consent. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/18 "2005-10-11T14:55:07Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > **kidchameleon** isn’t a sick fuck. _I’m_ a sick fuck, because I’ve been waiting and hoping for that dude to call me! **RING RING** Hello-o-o-o-o-o Nurse! I was out hiking and a rattlesnake bit me right on the tip of my John Thomas, I’ll be needing a medical professional to suck out the poison. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/19 "2005-10-11T14:57:32Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This isn’t a question of “lightening up.” We’re talking about a videotape of a teenage girl being stripped naked and sexually assaulted. Imagine for a second that the victim was your daughter or your sister or your girlfriend. Imagine telling someone that your daughter was sexually assaulted on videotape and then imagine the other person making a leering joke about wanting to see the tape. Is it funny? > > I’m sure that **Kidchameleon** does not actually get off on the thought of watching a sexual assault on videotape. My guess is that his joke was more thoughtless than sadistic. Still. it was very bad form. Of course, and if it was a young girl being forced to perform oral sex at gunpoint we’d all be on the same page here. I think what’s tripping the bizzarometer is the notion that the only actual coercion is the gullibility of the people involved. On sober reflection we can realize that the offence is no less serious nonetheless - but the _initial_ impression is that it’s just plain weird, and by the time we start thinking it through, the funnybone’s already been pinged. I mean, it’s not like I’d ever seriously unload a truckful of dead babies with a pitchfork, either. I’m astonished that whoever-it-is has been getting away with it for so long though. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/20 "2005-10-11T15:01:53Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Of course, and if it was a young girl being forced to perform oral sex at gunpoint we’d all be on the same page here. I think what’s tripping the bizzarometer is the notion that the only actual coercion is the gullibility of the people involved. On sober reflection we can realize that the offence is no less serious nonetheless - but the _initial_ impression is that it’s just plain weird, and by the time we start thinking it through, the funnybone’s already been pinged. I mean, it’s not like I’d ever seriously unload a truckful of dead babies with a pitchfork, either. > [@](#): > > He pulled the apron away from Ogborn, leaving her nude again, and described her to the caller. **He ordered her to dance with her arms above her head** , to see, the caller said, if anything “would shake out.” **He made her do jumping jacks, deep knee bends, stand on a swivel chair, then a desk.** > > **He made her sit on his lap and kiss him** ; the caller said that would allow Nix to smell anything that might be on her breath. > > When Ogborn refused to obey the caller’s instructions, **Nix slapped her on the buttocks, until they were red** – just as the caller told him to do, Ogborn testified later. The only actual coercion on _Nix_ was his gullibility. There was physical coercion applied to the complainant Ogden by Nix. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736.md?page=2)