# Kidchameleon--Rape is not sexy. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2005, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736 "2005-10-11T11:53:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/21 "2005-10-11T15:02:33Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This isn’t a question of “lightening up.” We’re talking about a videotape of a teenage girl being stripped naked and sexually assaulted. Imagine for a second that the victim was your daughter or your sister or your girlfriend. Imagine telling someone that your daughter was sexually assaulted on videotape and then imagine the other person making a leering joke about wanting to see the tape. Is it funny? NO. But it’s funny when it’s someone else. Duh. (disclaimer: I didn’t actually think it was funny. It was a little too obvious, but I always appreciate the effort). If Mom blew up in the space shuttle, I wouldn’t make jokes about her, either. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/22 "2005-10-11T15:06:15Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > What difference does that make? The victim did not give consent. Whhhhooooosh! (Not directed at Dio:) One is reminded of of the sick, perverted joke in a Mel Brooks movie, which is sick and wrong and Brooks should be kicked until he bleeds. “What crimes have you committed?” “Rape, murder, cattle ruslin’, and rape.” “OK, so… Wait, you said rape twice.” “I like rape.” As stupid and unfunny as “Up yours, nigger.” When I watched that movie, I jabbed myself with a cattle prod every time I felt like laughing. Which I never did. Because that movie was just wrong. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/23 "2005-10-11T15:13:22Z")
> [@Inigo Montoya](#): > > **RING RING** > > Hello-o-o-o-o-o Nurse! I was out hiking and a rattlesnake bit me right on the tip of my John Thomas, I’ll be needing a medical professional to suck out the poison. We’ve secretly replaced the hot young female sitting at a computer with a male IT professional who always tries to point out that he’s a he, despite his user name. Let’s see if he notices. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/24 "2005-10-11T15:14:02Z")
> [@Green Bean](#): > > What kind of a sick fuck are you? What are my choices? I plead guilty to bad humor brought on by lack of sleep and coming into work at a rediculous hour. It sounded really funny at 3AM surrounded by lots of humming equipment but on reflection and some Paula Abdul on the radio, I see it was rather on the morbid side. Carry on. Hey Nurse Carmen, do you get to wear those way-too tight white poylester pants? I might just give you a call indeed… ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/25 "2005-10-11T15:15:40Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > We’ve secretly replaced the hot young female sitting at a computer with a male IT professional who always tries to point out that he’s a he, despite his user name. > > Let’s see if he notices. > 😛 That’s what makes it so much more fun. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/26 "2005-10-11T16:25:07Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > That’s what makes it so much more fun. Sure, it’s all fun and games - until someone gets strip-searched by the assistant manager at the local McDonald’s. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/27 "2005-10-11T16:30:56Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Whhhhooooosh! Que? I’m not getting the whoosh. Obviously far too subtle for the likes of me. > [@tdn](#): > > When I watched [Blazing Saddles], I jabbed myself with a cattle prod every time I felt like laughing. Which I never did. Because that movie was just wrong. Did you sleep through the day in school when they explained the difference between “fact” and “fiction”? As to the OP, yes, the idea that someone would even in jest suggest that watching an actual teenage girl be sexually humiliated and assaulted is a big turn-on is fairly disgusting, even with the presence of the all-mitigating smilie. I am glad to see that **kidchameleon** has owned up to it, and equally glad that the phrase “I’m sorry if you were offended” was not used. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/28 "2005-10-11T16:42:09Z")
**kidchameleon** \<\> **KidCharlemagne** ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/29 "2005-10-11T16:44:47Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Que? I’m not getting the whoosh. Obviously far too subtle for the likes of me. The phrase that “a naked girl is not pretty” struck me as absurd. The phrase described her as a “little young girl”, which could be construed as pedophilic. I wanted to distance myself from that connotation, so I pointed out that this particular girl was, in fact, of consentual age. **Dio** then marched in all high and mighty and announced that she did not give consent for this act, which entirely misses the point that a random naked girl might, in fact, be pretty. Geez, I realize that rape is a serious and sad thing, but why does the mention of it cause people to lose all sense of logic, humor, and perspective? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/30 "2005-10-11T17:01:56Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Geez, I realize that rape is a serious and sad thing, but why does the mention of it cause people to lose all sense of logic, humor, and perspective? You’re assuming they had those qualities to begin with, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/31 "2005-10-11T17:03:55Z")
I for one welcome our new naked girl overlords. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/32 "2005-10-11T17:12:42Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > The phrase that “a naked girl is not pretty” struck me as absurd. The phrase described her as a “little young girl”, which could be construed as pedophilic. I wanted to distance myself from that connotation, so I pointed out that this particular girl was, in fact, of consentual age. **Dio** then marched in all high and mighty and announced that she did not give consent for this act, which entirely misses the point that a random naked girl might, in fact, be pretty. Oh. Well, I guess I thought it was fairly clear from the source material that the phrase was more in reference to the specific situation of a naked girl who’d just been sexually assaulted and is wrapped in a blanket weeping is not a pretty sight, but OK. > [@kidchameleon](#): > > You’re assuming they had those qualities to begin with, aren’t you? Aw, and you were doing so well, don’t fuck it up now. I mean, you’ve already acknowledged that your joke wasn’t funny, there’s really no reason now to play the “can’t you take a joke” card. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/33 "2005-10-11T17:16:51Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Oh. Well, I guess I thought it was fairly clear from the source material that the phrase was more in reference to the specific situation of a naked girl who’d just been sexually assaulted and is wrapped in a blanket weeping is not a pretty sight, but OK. Well sheesh, ya gotta take these things out of context! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/34 "2005-10-11T17:25:21Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Did you sleep through the day in school when they explained the difference between “fact” and “fiction”? So, you believed **kidchameleon’s** statement was a fact? Or was it, just like _Blazing Saddles_, an attempt at humor? > [@](#): > > As to the OP, yes, the idea that someone would even in jest suggest that watching an actual teenage girl be sexually humiliated and assaulted is a big turn-on is fairly disgusting, even with the presence of the all-mitigating smilie. I am glad to see that **kidchameleon** has owned up to it, and equally glad that the phrase “I’m sorry if you were offended” was not used. I’m sorry if you were offended. Well, not really, but Jesus Christ, it’s fairly clear he was joking. So you don’t like the joke? Try not to get your knickers in a twist over it. Otherwise, see **Pedro’s** post above. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/35 "2005-10-11T17:52:49Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This isn’t a question of “lightening up.” We’re talking about a videotape of a teenage girl being stripped naked and sexually assaulted. Imagine for a second that the victim was your daughter or your sister or your girlfriend. Imagine telling someone that your daughter was sexually assaulted on videotape and then imagine the other person making a leering joke about wanting to see the tape. Is it funny? If I did that then it wouldn’t be very funny indeed. And then I would become humorless and that would suck. I hope someone would be there to tell me to lighten up. These insanely stupid stories are usually good for a few laughs at least. It wasn’t personal and it doesn’t deserve a beating. It’s possible to have enough perspective to laugh at the joke (with the right set up) without condoning rape or being turned on by sexual abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/36 "2005-10-11T17:56:15Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > So, you believed **kidchameleon’s** statement was a fact? Or was it, just like _Blazing Saddles_, an attempt at humor? So kc slept through the fact vs fiction lesson, and you went to the arcade instead of learning to read. Gotcha. **tdn** was drawing a comparison between a fictional character making a joke about enjoying rape and a real person making a joke about enjoying watching a real sexual assault. It’s not a valid comparison, because, see, one is about people who don’t exist and one is about people who do. Sometimes things that are made up are funny when the same thing happening to a real person isn’t. > [@HtB](#): > > I’m sorry if you were offended. Well, not really, but Jesus Christ, it’s fairly clear he was joking. So you don’t like the joke? Try not to get your knickers in a twist over it. Otherwise, see **Pedro’s** post above. Actually, my knickers are fairly untwisted on the subject. I’m not sure exactly why you’re jumping on me for congratulating someone who pissed off a number of people for owning up to it without being a weasel, except that it may have something to do with your being kind of a dick. ---
**Author:** ![aamco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@aamco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aamco)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/37 "2005-10-11T18:18:38Z")
God forbid that someone make an off-color joke in the BBQ Pit! ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/38 "2005-10-11T18:21:00Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > **tdn** was drawing a comparison between a fictional character making a joke about enjoying rape and a real person making a joke about enjoying watching a real sexual assault. Actually, I wasn’t. I was saying that rape jokes are funny (sort of) when they work on the level of fun and consentual sex. Yes, when one tries to dig any deeper into it, one realizes that there’s really nothing funny about it at all. But that’s not the point of a joke. It’s a visceral reation to something that quite often has tragic underpinnings. It’s why dead baby jokes and Helen Keller jokes often work so well. An old lady slipping on a banana peel is the height of comedy. No favors are done to the world of humor when you exclaim “How can you laugh?!? The poor old dear probably broke a hip!!!” Even then, I’d bet that **kc** didn’t even think on the level of rape, just on the level of naked girl. Quite frankly, that was my first thought, too. My advice to you is to realize that it was a joke, intended as a joke, and one that fell flat, and leave it at that. Either that or ask me why I think killing babies is so amusing. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/39 "2005-10-11T18:27:35Z")
To (probably mis)quote the aforementioned Mel Brooks, “When I fall, it’s a tragedy; when somebody else falls, it’s comedy.” ---
**Author:** ![Taran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Taran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taran)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kidchameleon-rape-is-not-sexy/325736/40 "2005-10-11T18:35:39Z")
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